History - 1650 building of Griffin's Wharf, Boston
audrey hall Sunday 19 April 2009 6.00pm
Am hoping to find another "history nut" out there, since am trying to identify the (British) builder of "Griffin's Wharf" in Boston,Mass. and possible connection with the
"Ship Griffin," sailing between England and Colonies approximately 1645-1700's. The master of the "Griffin" at this time was Robert Grimshaw, Liverpool. My theory is that the owner of this ship was also the builder of The Wharf at Boston which bears the same name, since it is logical that a wharf was needed to berth the vessel.
Any help out there? Cheers!
"Ship Griffin," sailing between England and Colonies approximately 1645-1700's. The master of the "Griffin" at this time was Robert Grimshaw, Liverpool. My theory is that the owner of this ship was also the builder of The Wharf at Boston which bears the same name, since it is logical that a wharf was needed to berth the vessel.
Any help out there? Cheers!
Lang Rabbie Sunday 19 April 2009 7.15pm
I haven't managed to find a reference to the Southwark Griffin or Griffin's Wharf earlier than 1794. Griffin Wharf was the only wharf on the south bank of the Thames that didn't come under the control of the Hay's Company in the early twentieth century, and I am not sure where any archives would be held.
BTW Are confusing two ships of the same name - the Griffin captained by Robert Grimshaw appears to have been a century later than the period you quote:
http://www.grimshaworigin.org/Webpages2/GrifnShip2.htm
Footnote: For those not knowing their colonial history, Griffin's Wharf, Boston was the location where the Dartmouth, Eleanor and Beaver were tied up while Bostonians refused to pay the tea duties, until they were boarded and their cargoes thrown into the harbour waters in the "Boston Tea Party" of 1773.
BTW Are confusing two ships of the same name - the Griffin captained by Robert Grimshaw appears to have been a century later than the period you quote:
http://www.grimshaworigin.org/Webpages2/GrifnShip2.htm
Footnote: For those not knowing their colonial history, Griffin's Wharf, Boston was the location where the Dartmouth, Eleanor and Beaver were tied up while Bostonians refused to pay the tea duties, until they were boarded and their cargoes thrown into the harbour waters in the "Boston Tea Party" of 1773.
audrey hall Sunday 19 April 2009 8.01pm
The "Ship Griffin" is described as that which carried the
Anne Hutchinson party from England to Boston, Msss 1638,
with a large contingent of Anglican dissenters. It apparently made many more trips through the following years, perhaps even being involved in 1770's slave trade.
I have no evidence as to the "Griffin's Wharf" (of Tea- Party fame,) being linked to the earlier ship, except for the practice at the time, of building a "company-wharf" in order to expedite landing of cargo etc. If the "Griffin" was in steady use in the mid-1600's as Hutchinson Party records indicate, then it is possible that the same English shipping company would have built the Griffin's Wharf at some later date. (Thanks for your
reply!) Audrey Hall
Anne Hutchinson party from England to Boston, Msss 1638,
with a large contingent of Anglican dissenters. It apparently made many more trips through the following years, perhaps even being involved in 1770's slave trade.
I have no evidence as to the "Griffin's Wharf" (of Tea- Party fame,) being linked to the earlier ship, except for the practice at the time, of building a "company-wharf" in order to expedite landing of cargo etc. If the "Griffin" was in steady use in the mid-1600's as Hutchinson Party records indicate, then it is possible that the same English shipping company would have built the Griffin's Wharf at some later date. (Thanks for your
reply!) Audrey Hall
Lang Rabbie Monday 20 April 2009 12.19am
Audrey
It was the norm for the names of ships to be re-used. Practically, very few vessels would have had a sailing life of more tnan 30 years given the vicissitudes of the North Atlantic passage.
Also, given the time that it took for a sea voyage it would hardly be sensible to have a wharf for a single vessel.
Have you made any enquries of the Bostonian Society at the Old State House who might be able to provide you with information on the history of the wharf.
http://www.bostonhistory.org/
It was the norm for the names of ships to be re-used. Practically, very few vessels would have had a sailing life of more tnan 30 years given the vicissitudes of the North Atlantic passage.
Also, given the time that it took for a sea voyage it would hardly be sensible to have a wharf for a single vessel.
Have you made any enquries of the Bostonian Society at the Old State House who might be able to provide you with information on the history of the wharf.
http://www.bostonhistory.org/
audrey hall Monday 20 April 2009 2.32am
Lang: From the little I have unearthed, it seems the practice of "wharf building" carried advantages to the owners. . .from general fees for labor etc. to priority
for just being able to "tie up." Paul Revere's in-laws built and maintained "Hitchbourne's Wharf" as a way to enhance their merchant-class activities etc. I realize that ship "Griffin" is not the actual survivor into the Tea-Party days. . .but some research seems to suggest a continuity from earlier ownership. ( Hutchinsons, and Clarkes, of l638 voyage,have 5th generation descendants
building wharves in colonial Boston, prior to Revolution and bearing their names, etc. I am waiting a reply from the Boston Public Library, on reference from the Maritime Museum, and will try the resource you suggested. Many thanks!
for just being able to "tie up." Paul Revere's in-laws built and maintained "Hitchbourne's Wharf" as a way to enhance their merchant-class activities etc. I realize that ship "Griffin" is not the actual survivor into the Tea-Party days. . .but some research seems to suggest a continuity from earlier ownership. ( Hutchinsons, and Clarkes, of l638 voyage,have 5th generation descendants
building wharves in colonial Boston, prior to Revolution and bearing their names, etc. I am waiting a reply from the Boston Public Library, on reference from the Maritime Museum, and will try the resource you suggested. Many thanks!
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