Tabard Street Development

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Tuesday 12 March 2002 2.50pm
Hello,
I have lived in the area (Tabard Garden Estate) for about a year and have enjoyed it. A money grabbing supermarket in Tabard St would be a MAJOR step backwards for the area.
Let us push for more local businesses to set up in Tower Bridge Road or around Borough Tube.

Any new buildings in the area around Tabard St should be of the same height as existing buildings. We already have Guys to deal with (extreme wind tunnel effects, lack of sunlight and people congestion).

Let us not bend over and let the developers give it to us whilst they make a huge profit again. I bought a paper from from the papershop on Sunday and the chap gave me the following email address

wbcf39@hotmail.com (West Bermondsey Community Forum)

This should be a good group to get our weight behind.
Mathew
Tuesday 12 March 2002 6.14pm
Hello,

I have to disagree I would like to see a supermarket serving the Bermondsey Street and surrounding area, but I think the More site at Tooley Street is a more suitable location and will provide better access - I've heard rumours that it one is planned. This would not stop me using my local corner shop and I would be happy to support any smaller outfits, like delis or specialist shops in the area. You only have to look at the massive popularity of Borough Market and new shops springing up at London Bridge Station to see the demand.

I have heard about the proposed development at Tabard Street through this site and am concerned. It is architecturally inappropriate to the surrounding area and scale. The only beneficiaries seem to be the developers. As demand increases, and less land becomes available and smaller sites only, I imagine many developers are going to try and pull something like this. This kind of development can only dilute the charm and character of the area, which is already being challenged by some very bad new buildings, but thankfully also supported by some insightful new buildings. There are obvious commercial benefits to the council and it is going to be interesting to see how the planning department deal with this application. Doesn't it fall within the conservation area anyway, and does this afford any protection against high storey developments?

I read a post about the planner dealing with the application; does anyone know how many objections have been made and what the general opinion of the planner is?
Wednesday 13 March 2002 11.19am
Donna D'Alessandro is the case officer dealing with this application at Southwark Planning Office. The planning decision will be carried out by committee. They will accept comments on the proposal up until the committee convenes I believe (no date as yet). Those affected (or that have submitted any comments) will apparently be informed and asked to voice their opinions to the committee if they wish.

I don't know how many objections have been made but in my limited opinion residents of Tabard Gardens Estate are opposed. How many of us have/will formally object...who knows?
Monday 18 March 2002 7.19pm

Hi there. As far as I am aware, there is still time to raise objections. It only takes a few (two or more) written objections before it has to go to the planning coimmittee.

Then people can actually go to the meeting and make whatever objections they have (you only get three minutes though).

I know I am concerned about this development - for example:

- huge TESCO (or whomever) trucks delivering through narrow streets at all hours

- possible loss of light from a 26 story tower - and that such a tall building amongst residential buildings sets a precedent for the area

- loss of privacy from overlooking (depends where you are though)

- that the development is simply too high a density for the area to cope with

SM
jan
Tuesday 19 March 2002 7.35am
just out of idle curiosity, is that why they diverted the 21bus from going down Tabard Street? so tescos could drive down unhinderd? is this planning application merely lipservice to a developement going ahead already....

Years ago Sainsburys applied to build a store in Old Kent Road, they were turned down on the basis that it would be to upper class for the working classes.

come on you yuppies who are supposed to be the only ones living in the Tabard Street area.... complain that a Tescos is too downmarket!.
Mark
Tuesday 19 March 2002 12.25pm
I thought objections could only be raised by you if you were selected as part of the public consultation period. Is it different in this case because of the wider implications?
Tuesday 19 March 2002 2.13pm

As far as I am aware, anyone can object to this (or any other) development.

If you are objecting, it is worthwhile stating your relationship to the development. So you can say, for example, "I live next door and I will lose all my light" or "I live on the street that will take deliveries to the Supermarket and I am concerned that heavy goods vehicles will go past my bedroom window from 4.00am onwards" or even "I am concerned that putting a very tall building in a residential area sets a precedent for other parts of Southwark".

I would imagine that the less you have to lose the less weight will be given to your objections. That is, those closest get listened to the most.

Oh, it may not be a Tesco's - I am just guessing based upon the fact that the new (small) Sainsbury's will be at Blackfriars Road!

SM
Wednesday 20 March 2002 10.15am
Consultation processes are normally just a sap. If you look carefully between the lines you are given a choice of several options and normally steered towards one. I worked as a policy officer in local government for 10 years and when we consulted on policies I had written 3 or 4 times a year we had already had 'closed door' meetings to decide what we wanted to consult on and the 'public' consultation was only to rubber stamp what we had already decided. Public comments were noted but could not be acted upon as they had not been consulted upon and would therefore have to be held over until this issue was consulted on again.

The only time anything is stopped is when it goes wider than the local arena. DOES ANYONE KNOW ANY BIGWIGS?
Friday 29 March 2002 2.56pm
anyone can object, even outside of the timescale. and yes, it may result in an enquiry. but that's pretty much as far as it goes. otherwise, i wouldn't be hemmed by the appaling Trinity Court flats immediately behind me, nor would the ghastly redevelopement of the Post Office sorting office block my old view to St George the Martyr Church.
It's really sweet to see the newbie residents trying to complain about developments in SE1! Didn't they realise they moved into buildings that once were green or open spaces? Bless them.
Joanna
Tuesday 2 April 2002 1.23pm
Kate,

I'm one of the newbie residents you talk about, and my flat is actually in a building that used to be a book warehouse. Before it was redeveloped it was empty for several years. Most of the redevelopment in Bermondsey over the last 10 years has actually been regeneration of old buildings like this, not new build. Get your facts right.

Joanna
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