More fire victims in Southwark?

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Saturday 9 November 2013 2.37pm
Did you know that in Southwark in the last 5 years sadly 26 people died of fire related incidents? The average London number is 8.

Did you know that those 26 people who suffered a terrible death are an increase in 300% from former figures? Yes, there were budget cuts a few years ago.

Do you know that from 9th January 2014 the central Southwark Fire station on Southwark Bridge Road will be closed and none of the fire fighters or engines will be deployed to neighbouring fire stations?

Do you know that estate agents are already checking out the land of Southwark’s Fire station? And that the profit of the sale and redevelopment will NOT be reinvested in the emergency services or our borough?

Do you know that neither Mayor Johnson nor LFEPA chair Cleverly nor LFB chief Dobson could give any explanation why they chose to close down Southwark, despite the stats clearly not supporting any suggestion it might be redundant?

Do you know that the stations of Westminster and Clerkenwell, usually happy to help us if needed, will be closed down too?
The Old Kent Rd station will be rebuild and therefore closed for a while, this impact was also not taken into account in the planning.

Do you know which station is supposed to make up for our loss? Dowgate, 94-95 Upper Thames Street EC4R 3UE. This is the City’s fire station. It will serve the City – and only if not needed come to the rescue of people south the river – can you see the priority?

Do you know that altogether 10 central London stations will be closed with no regards for hospitals, train stations, high rise buildings and tube incidents?

From 9th January, in 60 days, we will have 10 stations, 14 appliances, 550 fire fighters less in London!
Can you imagine the increased response and attendance times?

Do you know that only Mayor Boris has the power to stop this madness of cutting fire cover budget to have money for e-bikes and other vanity projects?

Do you know what you can do to join the grassroots movement?

Twitter: @SLFS10 Save London Fire Stations (all) 10!

Write to Boris and cc: as we will be witness that e-mails were send, so it cannot be denied. Please tell him not to shut down those stations, not to get rid off the big engines and trained staff – and - not to sell off the land.

There will updates on events: and meetings

Contact us on
or, as I’m not in charge of that e-mail or twitter, DM me for more info

Many thanks and stay safe while using candles.

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Saturday 9 November 2013 3.13pm
Apologies, seems e-mail address is not working, will be corrected soon!

So sorry.

Please hold the date: next meeting on Thursday, 14th, 6 p.m., central London
Sunday 10 November 2013 12.48pm
this is the working e-mail address, again: apologies
Sunday 10 November 2013 1.02pm
Hi Julia

Just to pick up on a couple of your points;

Dowgate Fire Station maybe located in the city, and have its own patch to cover, however, if an incident occurs outside its patch, and the appliance is available to attend, it will be ordered by the London Fire Brigade control room to attend along with any other fire appliances identified by the mobilising system - a line drawn on a map will not stop a fire appliance from attending an incident when ordered regardless if its in Southwark, Lambeth, City Of London or somewhere else in London and beyond.

Trust me, if and when an incident occurs in London requiring the fire brigade to attend, appliances will always be dispatched to the incident and these will always be the nearest available resources at the time.

With regards to the Old Kent Road Fire Station, this actually closed for rebuilding on the 14th October, and the appliances have been located at other nearby stations; in fact arrangements have been built in that additional fire engines will be ordered to fire calls on Old Kent Road's patch (depending on the incident) in addition to the appliances normally based at the Old Kent Road Fire Station.

With regards to the closures, there is a High Court action being taken by at least 6 London councils on the 26-28th November, in a bid to stop them happening.

Hopefully this case will be successful in the same way the recent court action taken to stop Lewisham Hospital being downgraded was.

While I'm not in to politics, and have no wish to comment on the 'political' side of any posting, I did want to comment of the above points, as I felt they did not 'paint' a correct picture of the actual situation you are commenting on
Sunday 10 November 2013 5.49pm
Hi, green suited Man,

Yes, I also keep my fingers crossed for the judicial review. However, even if this is won and we gain some time, keeping Boris from cutting the funds of the emergency services while money is spend on the luxury of sweat free bicycle rides, there are still things to do.

Many thanks for adding facts; I found it rather difficult to choose which ones to put into the forum space without overloading it.

I do not doubt that the fire fighters at Dowgate are as committed and brave as other London’s stations staff.
Fact is sadly though, if those closures and cuts go ahead, the person who will have to make the decision has 550 specialists, 14 engines and 2 fire rescue units less to cover incidents with for London. This will increase response and attendance times and reduce the survival rates. However diligent those people will make decisions, they cannot do miracles, I fear.

The Department for Communities and Local Government produced a report in 2008: “Economic Cost of Fire: Estimates for 2008". Using those assumptions, the cost of fire in LB Southwark for 2012-2013 alone was £27m. That does not take into consideration the cost of fire in other areas where stations are closing e.g. Knightsbridge, Westminster, Clerkenwell, Belsize, etc.) That also does not take into consideration the increased domestic insurance costs we will all have to pay as a result of reduced fire coverage: yes, your insurance premium, or your landlord’s and therefore your rent, will go up.

It is such an unsustainable suggestion that we have to stop Boris thinking short-term.
This is politically in a way that as a conscious, responsible citizens I think we need to take responsibility that our infrastructure will stand the test of time for us and the next generation. Politicians often sadly only think in 4 yrs timelines. This is not supposed to be party political.
This is only about rather increasing the fire cover for Southwark and London instead of reducing it.
Monday 11 November 2013 12.16pm
I have just signed your petition and have sent you an email. seems to be a really effective way of getting petitions filled quickly.

According to a local councillor, I understand that the amount planning to be saved is £2.50 per head per year in council tax - not sure if it applies per borough or London or UK.....but If this is true - that is the price of a cup of coffee. I'm sure most would rather forego 1 visit for a coffee annually and keep the security should it ever (hoepfully never) be needed.
Monday 11 November 2013 12.51pm
Hi Koykat,

Thank you for pointing out the national petition, I didn't know about it till now - signed it just yet, though.

The London petition is

Yes, the amout is really small, cracy idea Boris has here. Especially as the savings won't go back into emergency services or other basic needs cover. Absolute reckless.

Thank you for your support, please spread the word.
Monday 11 November 2013 2.45pm

there will be a @SLFS10 meeting
at the ULU-building Malet St WC1E 7HY
6pm (till 8ish)
this Thursday 14 Nov 2013

Everybody is welcome (sorry, no child minding facilities)

It would be nice if you could let the organisers Artemis and Daniel know - so they know how many will attend (via
but no need to do so, if you are around the area, please pop in
Wednesday 13 November 2013 2.28pm
and here Boris, a few years ago, promising not to reduce fire appliances in his own words:

now, per 9th January 2014, 14 are earmarked to leave London for good, and the others will be staffed with less crew members (4 instead of 5)
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