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Thursday 19 April 2018 6.01pm
eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:
What surprises me is how many of those anti-abortion protesters are women.

During the struggle for universal suffrage, there were women who were against the notion of their sisters being granted the right to vote.

Just because they happened to be female, it doesn't mean they were right: history has taught us otherwise and the same logic applies to female pro-lifers...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_National_Anti-Suffrage_League
Zoe
Thursday 19 April 2018 8.21pm
jinkazama wrote:
I also think some awful example have been given here, Jan, if a woman has an affair and gets pregnant then she is terminating for convenience. And Zoe, a ball of cells, seriously.

Well luckily you don’t get to tell women what to do and your strawmen examples are just that.

There is a real contempt shown for women when people talk about examples of women having abortions because they feel like it. All studies show that women consider abortion deeply, they don’t rush into it and most feel intense relief afterward. Suggesting women do it for convenience is no different to when I lived in Egypt and people claimed women couldn’t be judges as they were too emotional.

Shouting at women outside doctors is an extension of this contempt for women.
Thursday 19 April 2018 10.47pm
I can’t imagine anyone would rather have an abortion than take contraception!
The idea that something like this could be done for “convenience” is ludicrous IMO.

...if you press it, they will come.
Friday 20 April 2018 12.05pm
Ivanhoe wrote:
I can’t imagine anyone would rather have an abortion than take contraception!
The idea that something like this could be done for “convenience” is ludicrous IMO.

Absolutely.
Friday 20 April 2018 1.13pm
yeah, completely insane to think that a % of abortions are related to convenience ( or pick any other word that makes you feel better ) - take your pick, and even though figures vary there is still a %,

REASONS GIVEN FOR ABORTIONS: AGI SURVEY, 1987 [3, 4]

reason % of abortions
rape or incest 1 (0.4-1.3)
mother has health problems 3 (2.8)
possible fetal health problems 3 (3.3)
unready for responsibility 21
is too immature or young to have child 11 (12.2)
woman's parents want her to have abortion <0.5
has problems with relationship or wants to avoid single parenthood 12 (14.1)
husband or partner wants her to have abortion 1
has all the children she wanted or all children are grown 8 (7.9)
can't afford baby now 21 (21.3)
concerned about how having baby would change her life 16
doesn't want others to know she had relations or is pregnant 1
other 3
Friday 20 April 2018 1.27pm
jinkazama wrote:
yeah, completely insane to think that a % of abortions are related to convenience ( or pick any other word that makes you feel better ) - take your pick, and even though figures vary there is still a %,
REASONS GIVEN FOR ABORTIONS: AGI SURVEY, 1987 [3, 4]

reason % of abortions
rape or incest 1 (0.4-1.3)
mother has health problems 3 (2.8)
possible fetal health problems 3 (3.3)
unready for responsibility 21
is too immature or young to have child 11 (12.2)
woman's parents want her to have abortion <0.5
has problems with relationship or wants to avoid single parenthood 12 (14.1)
husband or partner wants her to have abortion 1
has all the children she wanted or all children are grown 8 (7.9)
can't afford baby now 21 (21.3)
concerned about how having baby would change her life 16
doesn't want others to know she had relations or is pregnant 1
other 3


1987??? Don't you any less ancient data? Also, is that UK data?
Friday 20 April 2018 4.03pm
eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:
jinkazama wrote:
yeah, completely insane to think that a % of abortions are related to convenience ( or pick any other word that makes you feel better ) - take your pick, and even though figures vary there is still a %,
REASONS GIVEN FOR ABORTIONS: AGI SURVEY, 1987 [3, 4]

reason % of abortions
rape or incest 1 (0.4-1.3)
mother has health problems 3 (2.8)
possible fetal health problems 3 (3.3)
unready for responsibility 21
is too immature or young to have child 11 (12.2)
woman's parents want her to have abortion <0.5
has problems with relationship or wants to avoid single parenthood 12 (14.1)
husband or partner wants her to have abortion 1
has all the children she wanted or all children are grown 8 (7.9)
can't afford baby now 21 (21.3)
concerned about how having baby would change her life 16
doesn't want others to know she had relations or is pregnant 1
other 3


1987??? Don't you any less ancient data? Also, is that UK data?

It's apparently from Torres A and Forrest JD, 'Why do women have abortions?' Family Planning Perspectives, 1988, 20(4):169–176 - a survey of 1,900 women in the USA.

see http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html for the reference - the same site has more recent American figures.
Friday 20 April 2018 4.22pm
John C wrote:
eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:
jinkazama wrote:
yeah, completely insane to think that a % of abortions are related to convenience ( or pick any other word that makes you feel better ) - take your pick, and even though figures vary there is still a %,
REASONS GIVEN FOR ABORTIONS: AGI SURVEY, 1987 [3, 4]

reason % of abortions
rape or incest 1 (0.4-1.3)
mother has health problems 3 (2.8)
possible fetal health problems 3 (3.3)
unready for responsibility 21
is too immature or young to have child 11 (12.2)
woman's parents want her to have abortion <0.5
has problems with relationship or wants to avoid single parenthood 12 (14.1)
husband or partner wants her to have abortion 1
has all the children she wanted or all children are grown 8 (7.9)
can't afford baby now 21 (21.3)
concerned about how having baby would change her life 16
doesn't want others to know she had relations or is pregnant 1
other 3


1987??? Don't you any less ancient data? Also, is that UK data?

It's apparently from Torres A and Forrest JD, 'Why do women have abortions?' Family Planning Perspectives, 1988, 20(4):169–176 - a survey of 1,900 women in the USA.

see http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html for the reference - the same site has more recent American figures.


I suspected they weren't figures relevant to the UK.
Friday 20 April 2018 8.13pm
John C wrote:
see http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html for the reference - the same site has more recent American figures.

Ah, America.

Isn't that the country where pro-lifers shoot and kill doctors and nurses who work in abortion clinics, and also place bombs in these facilities?
Friday 20 April 2018 9.19pm
[quote Zoe][quote jinkazama]I also think some awful example have been given here, Jan, if a woman has an affair and gets pregnant then she is terminating for convenience. And Zoe, a ball of cells, seriously.[/quote]

Well luckily you don’t get to tell women what to do and your strawmen examples are just that.

There is a real contempt shown for women when people talk about examples of women having abortions because they feel like it. All studies show that women consider abortion deeply, they don’t rush into it and most feel intense relief afterward. Suggesting women do it for convenience is no different to when I lived in Egypt and people claimed women couldn’t be judges as they were too emotional.

Shouting at women outside doctors is an extension of this contempt for women.[/quote


Who is or was "shouting at women"?
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