Roberto Calvi & Blackfriars Bridge

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Sunday 22 August 2004 10.38pm
This is probably a bit ghoulish, but exactly where was he hung from the Bridge? In the middle? Closer to SE1 or the city?
Monday 23 August 2004 10.01am
Strictly speaking, he was not hung from the bridge, but from scaffolding erected around it for maintenance.

I believe it was above the north (City) bank riverside walkway, but ready to stand corrected.

Are you planning to offer tours of olde London complete with sites of masonic ritual killing, templars, rosicrurians and other conspiracies?

Monday 23 August 2004 11.23pm
On a pedantic note, things are hung, people are hanged....
Tuesday 24 August 2004 9.16am
Up to a point, Lord Copper...

I was brought up to understand that hanged should be used exclusively to mean "executed by hanging". I will allow its additional use for "committed suicide by hanging".

Without wishing to fuel any of the conspiracy theories, IIRC the most recent forensic analysis of the case for the second inquest suggested that Sgr. Calvi wasn't actually killed by suspension from Blackfriars Bridge, but was strangled first, and then "hung from the bridge" to suggest suicide.
Tuesday 24 August 2004 10.29am
<<On a pedantic note, things are hung, people are hanged....>>

I'll see your pedantic, and raise it an: "Actually, that's rubbish. Hung, is the past simple and past participle of hang (ref: Cambridge Dictionary http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=38480&dict=CALD ), and can apply to people or things."

...if you press it, they will come.
Tuesday 24 August 2004 11.13am
surely hares and venison are hung and sheep thieves are hanged?
Tuesday 24 August 2004 11.17am
Ivanhoe wrote:
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> <<On a pedantic note, things are hung,
> people are hanged....>>
>
> I'll see your pedantic, and raise it an:
> "Actually, that's rubbish. Hung, is the past
> simple and past participle of hang (ref: Cambridge
> Dictionary
> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=384
> 80&dict=CALD ), and can apply to people or
> things."
>
> ...if you press it, they will come


Fowler: "Use hanged as past tense and past participle of capital punishment and in imprecations; otherwise hung. The distinction goes back ultimately to the existence of two Old English verbs hon and hangian and an Old Norse one hengjan.... In practice, a wide range of writers use hung in descriptions of executions. This use is not erroneous, just less customary in standard English."




Wednesday 25 August 2004 8.05am
Lang Rabbie

Thanks for your answer (and for your answer to a previous post). I wasn't planning such a tour, but now you suggest it ... it could also include the Bulgarian stabbed in the leg on Waterloo Bridge - Georgi Malenkov? The bus stop by the national theatre?

I used "hung" on purpose, as it has finally been recognised that Calvi was murdered. But others' comments have made me wonder if the people who did it had a Tarantino -esque discussion:

Murderer 1 "We gotta make look like he hanged himself"

Murderer 2 "No, no, like he hung himself"

Murderer 1 "Whaddya mean?"

Murderer 2 "Well Fowlers says ..." etc

David
Wednesday 25 August 2004 10.18am
Wasn't that Bulgarian man stabbed with an umbrella with a poisoned pellet stuck on the tip? I used to have nightmares about that when I was a child (though why I thought anyone would do that to me escapes me now.)
Wednesday 25 August 2004 9.51pm
Found this after a google:

"Georgi Markov was a Bulgarian writer who lived in his home country until 1969, when at the age of 40 he defected to the west. Living in London, he worked as a broadcast journalist for the BBC, radio free Europe, and the German Deutsche Welle. (Bernard Knight, 1979)

He had a large audience in Bulgaria, and his outspoken views against the ruling communist party were seen as the inspiration for Bulgarian dissident movements. The leader of the Bulgarian communist party, Zhivkov Todor, decided in June 1977 that he wanted Markov silenced, and informed a politburo meeting of his wishes. The job was given to the interior minister Dimiter Stoyanov, who requested KGB assistance. The KGB chairman Yuri Andropov agreed provided there would be no trail left to the Soviet Union. (Richard Cummings, 1996)

There were three attempts on Markovs' life. During a dinner party given by friends at radio free Europe, someone slipped a toxin into his drink, this and another attempt on his life in Sardinia failed. The successful attempt took place in London on September 7th, Zhivkov's birthday.

Markov worked a double shift at the BBC, and after working the early morning shift, returned home to rest. On returning to work he parked his car South of Waterloo Bridge and made his way to the bus stop to catch the bus to the BBC headquarters. As he neared the people queuing for the bus he felt a stabbing pain in his right thigh, he turned to see a man facing away from him stoop and pick up an umbrella. The man apologised in a foreign accent and departed hurriedly in a taxi. Markov latter described the man as thick set and about 40 years old. In pain Markov boarded the bus for work, where he told colleagues what had happened. He noticed a spot of blood on his jeans, and showed a friend a pimple like red swelling on his thigh. When he returned home he became very sick, with a high fever.(Bernard Knight, 1979)

The next day Markov was admitted to St James's hospital, Balham. Examination of hi right thigh showed a central puncture wound of about 2mm diameter, and a circular are of inflammation. A diagnosis of septicaemia was made at the time, due to the very high leukocyte count, 33 000 per cubic mm. Mr Markov died on the third day after the injury was inflicted.

During the post-mortem a single metal sphere the size of a pinhead was excised from the wound. It was 1.52 mm in diameter and composed of 90% platinum and 10% iridium. It had two holes bored through it, with diameters of 0.35mm, leaving 0.28 cubic mm available for toxin retention. (Richard Cummings, 1996)

Dr David Gall at the government chemical defence establishment Porton Down, hypothesised that ricin could be the only possible toxin used, owing to the exceptionally small dose and the symptoms.

After the fall of the Soviet Union it was revealed that ricin was used in an umbrella mechanism for injecting poison spheres into a victim, which was developed in the secret KGB laboratory "the Chamber". Two former KGB officers Oleg Kalugin and Oleg Gordievsky publicly admitted to Soviet involvement. It was reported that the Bulgarians used a low-level Italian criminal to carry out the murder. The man was located in Denmark but questioning remained inconclusive; he then fled to Hungary and the Czech republic. His whereabouts are unknown. (Richard Cummings, 1996)"

Those crazy Russians! (and Bulgarians and Italians)

So for my tour of SE1 bridges linked to murders, I've got Blackfriars and Waterloo sorted. For Hungerford there was the poor guy who was thrown off by muggers, and for London Bridge there are all the people who had their heads on poles.

Any murders on Westminster, Southwark or Tower Bridge that people can think of? Or should I stop being a ghoul?
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