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Tuesday 24 May 2005 5.43pm
I have been reading here that there has been quite a number of unmotivated attacks and rape around the Elephant and Castle in the recent past . I have been living there for 10 years and never actually witnessed any crime. Although I have never felt completely secure around the E&C, I thought it improved over the years.
Do you think the area is actually getting worse?
Tuesday 24 May 2005 6.07pm
No I dont, if anything I think it's getting better, the improvement in thelighting in the underground passages at the E & C is really noticable, and the increase in restaurants and night life here means it's much busier till quite late.
Tuesday 24 May 2005 6.21pm
I think most of SE1 has improved so much.
Back in 1996 , Bankside was dark dank and deserted , now there are more people about so like E and C its improved visibly.
Tuesday 24 May 2005 7.10pm
It feels safer but is it actually safer? Seeing more people around makes you feel less isolated but it can also attract the wrong crowd and could actually increase the risk of being attacked, no? And where there are tourists, you also find pickpockets and all sort of anti-social behaviour. I find that main roads are usually OK but as soon as you get in the back streets, that's another story.
Are there any crime rate studies being carried out so I can find out for sure?
Tuesday 24 May 2005 7.21pm
Scary as these stories are - the fact is that random violent attacks are actually quite rare - at least when compared to violence between people known to each other - in much the same way that most murders are committed by people known to the victim. I believe (although I'm no expert) that the reverse is true for petty crime - theft, mugging without violence etc.

I also read somewhere that most violent attacks are committed by men on men - but I don't know how true that actually is in London.

The Metropolitan Police publish statistics on violent crime, but they don't distingush between known / unknown assailant and they seem always to be calculated on a different basis each year - so not always the most accurate comparison - try the BBC website.

IMHO, it's better to take account of how you personally feel in the area - not a bunch of statistics. Be cautious but trust your instincts.

I once had training from a firm of "corporate and personal safety specialists" for work (when I was due to go on business to Jo'berg - parts of which at that time were very much a no go area for young white women travelling alone !). Their main message was just that - to trust your instincts - most people get into trouble when they convince themselves that it's silly to be scared of walking down a dark street rather than going 10 mins out of your way to use a well-lit route.

Touch wood, that philosophy has served me well for the last 14 years in London.

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Tuesday 24 May 2005 9.38pm
According to official statistics, crime in Southwark has fallen over the last few years. You can see the crime statistics here:

Put in your postcode and it will show you the crime statistics compared to the national average, broken down by different types of crimes. However, the statistics are aggregated for the whole of Southwark, not for specific areas within Southwark.

There are two national surveys about crime: the British Crime Survey and the Crime and Justice Survey.

The British Crime Survey collects information about people's experiences of, and attitudes towards, crime, and the Crime and Justice Survey collects information about the prevalence of offending.

More information about these surveys can be found here:

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Wednesday 25 May 2005 12.00am

You are as safe as you feel.

If you think about where you go then you shouldn't have problems anywhere. I walked around the Aylesbury last year with a camera and......... guess what? I was mugged. What a surprise.
A good example of 'not thinking'.

regards and best.

Wednesday 25 May 2005 12.11am
Neither of the attacks reported on SE1 homepage give a description of the attackers. Why?
Descriptions were obviously available for the Weston Street one.
I must admit I have never been the victim of either physical or verbal attack in my life.
In a TV programme last week on 'Happy Slapping' a couple of the perpetrators said they only
picked on people who in their words "Looked like they needed a slap". Bizarre reasoning, but I
wonder if these cowards prey on people who appear timid or nervous.
Who comes up with these labels, 'happy' slapping, 'joy' riding
Wednesday 25 May 2005 7.38am
Before we moved here we lived in Camberwell/Brixton. I was mugged at lunchtime one day and was quite bashed about and ended up in hospital. Everyone said "OH WELL, if you live in BRIXTON"...."Ah HA, I said, but I was in PIMLICO"!!!...Yes, indeed, the only time anything happened to me there I was in swanky Pimlico at lunchtime. So........enjoy SE1!!!!
Wednesday 25 May 2005 11.28am
I read a book by an American excopper who stated it in fairly simple terms.
Criminals are like predators - they have different logic and are wired differently from the rest of society. Criminals will have no qualms about picking on the weak and defenceless or what they perceive to be weak and defenceless.

So his tips were - yes s
1stay in brightly lit and crowded areas since less crime does tend to take place in such places.
2 Walk tall and look as if you know where you are going
3 fight and resist if you are being brought to a more secluded location where worse violence is going to be inflicted on you.

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