http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:01:08 +0100 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:01:08 +0100 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90992#msg-90992 ADT <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
The police have resources which in a perfect world are used to stop bad things happening. At the minute the police appear to be under political pressure to take visible action against knife crime. However, this may not be the most efficacious way of using police resources to make less bad things happen overall.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90992#msg-90992 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:01:08 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90732/90990#msg-90990 jaycee <forum@london-se1.co.uk> Many thanks to all of you for your advice. Jonathon K is kindly visiting us next week.
Cheers,
Jaycee]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90732/90990#msg-90990 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:07:32 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90989#msg-90989 Jerry <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90989#msg-90989 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:48:50 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90988#msg-90988 Beowulf <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
Er . . . that wasn't an anecdote about cause and effect . . . it was an anecdote about statistics.

I know I'm a small sample of one, but I was illustrating my -and others' - earlier point about your chances of being killed by a driver compared with being knifed by a feral teenager. Ten people die on the road every day in this country. I'd much rather the police spent their time tackling maniacs going down Union Street at 60 miles an hour than setting up trestle tables next to the IMAX (which any self-respecting knifer would spot instantly and avoid, surely?) and fingerprinting old grannies.

My post was about how people's paranoia is completely disproportionate to reality. The logic still beyond you?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90988#msg-90988 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:47:02 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90805/90987#msg-90987 Ivanhoe <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
This is standard practice in [b]W1[/b] coffee shops and bars...[/quote]
It's quite funny if you misread this as "WI"]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90805/90987#msg-90987 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:45:34 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90986#msg-90986 Neil <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90986#msg-90986 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:39:30 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90985#msg-90985 Jerry <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90985#msg-90985 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:35:39 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90984/90984#msg-90984 lifeofbryan <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90984/90984#msg-90984 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:22:14 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90982#msg-90982 graham <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90982#msg-90982 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:54:58 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90981#msg-90981 Beowulf <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
Number of times I have been knocked over by a vehicle in London - 2 (once on a crossing, another time at a bus stop, so both the fault of careless/dangerous drivers)

Number of times I have seen the sinister glint of steel flashing my way from the menacing mitt of a feral teenage hoodie - 0]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90981#msg-90981 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:48:15 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90979#msg-90979 Ivanhoe <forum@london-se1.co.uk> I do. But then again, there are so many laws against things nowadays that I'm almost certainly guilty of something.

And if I'm not, I'm now going to be worried that I'll be kept in for 42 days "just in case".]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90979#msg-90979 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:34:04 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/48865/90978#msg-90978 Beowulf <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
One person, one anecdote, but I found it interesting that this "community" organisation had no intention of organising itself to help white-collar workers be involved, and that this one person didn't expect real members of the community to work.[/quote]

I recently filled in the government's consultation form about adult education - a disgraceful document that seemed to be trying to secure agreement to cut funds to colleges in order to give it to 'communities' for 'self-learning activities'. Anyway, one of the questions the form asked was 'what can we do to get people involved who think learning's not for me?' (Hideous word that, learning - what's wrong with education?]

Anyway, I answered that I thought that the majority of people who think learning's not for them are busy professionals who can't leave their desk before six or seven in the evening - and that they're the people who the government should be working to attract. Seems I got that about right but I doubt anyone will take the point on board, especially as we're not part of the community it seems!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/48865/90978#msg-90978 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:32:54 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90977#msg-90977 The Mapmaker <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
Jackie, if you want to go and live in a police state, then go to Israel. Personally I enjoy being allowed to go about my lawful businesses without let or hindrance, so I shall stay here, thank you very much indeed for the offer.

As for airports; do you not get that irrational feeling of guilt every time you are searched? I avoid airports like the plague.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90977#msg-90977 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:31:30 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/48865/90976#msg-90976 Beowulf <forum@london-se1.co.uk> It only provoked a reaction from me because there's so much comment (in general, not specifically on this thread or forum) with the theme that only people with children count, or get involved in their community.

I'm not saying that's what you were implying (although I did think you were getting close to it - but that may well be me being oversensitive. It does happen ;0))[/quote]

Ah, the ubiquitous hard-working, home-owning families - doncha love 'em. The rest of us are just feckless, irresponsible layabouts.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/48865/90976#msg-90976 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:23:06 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/52246/90974#msg-90974 mac <forum@london-se1.co.uk> I thought it was quite funny - even Mr Mac smiled]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/52246/90974#msg-90974 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:57:01 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90973#msg-90973 mac <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11455750

It said that last year 258 people were killed by knives - a figure barely changed sinced the start of the millennium (though violence by strangers has increased and filled the 'gap' left by domestic violence, incidents of which have apparently reduced). It also posits that perhaps all this publicity about teens carrying knives is leading to a copy-cat craze, giving the impressing to other teenagers that it's not safe for them to go out unarmed, thus fuelling the knife-carrying mentality . I think there might be something in that...]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90973#msg-90973 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:50:17 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90969#msg-90969 longlaner <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90969#msg-90969 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:28:07 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90968#msg-90968 Beowulf <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
"Between the years 2002-3 and 2006-7, the number of these children admitted to hospital with knife wounds in England "almost doubled" we are told. From 95 cases to 179. A rise of 88%.

However, over the same period, the numbers of under-16s admitted to hospital with gunshot wounds has gone down from 253 to 181. A fall of 68%.*

So, 84 more children were admitted with stab injuries than five years earlier. But 72 fewer children were admitted with gunshot injuries.

[b]If no distinction is made between knife and gun injuries, the headline might read "teen violence stable."[/b]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/

Personally, I think more lives would be saved if the police were focusing on bad driving. The speed some idiots go down Union Street often leaves me fulminating.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90968#msg-90968 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:21:03 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90967#msg-90967 jackie rokotnitz <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90967#msg-90967 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:08:24 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90964#msg-90964 boroughpaul <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90964#msg-90964 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:49:09 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/48865/90963#msg-90963 boroughpaul <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/48865/90963#msg-90963 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:47:31 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90962#msg-90962 Cnaeus Pompey <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
Yes longlaner I did – I was appalled at the amount of knife crime prevalent at the battle of Pharsalus. I told Cicero it was all going to end in tears – we should have been stopping and searching Caesar and his veterans before it all got out of hand.

. . . has anyone seen my head?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90962#msg-90962 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:24:31 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90961#msg-90961 Beowulf <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
No doubt after handing in the keys to his over-leveraged buy-to-let new build flat near the forum.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90961#msg-90961 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:11:34 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90960#msg-90960 Katia <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90960#msg-90960 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:09:09 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90958#msg-90958 Cnaeus Pompey <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
I've taken a deep breath and got a hold of myself.

yes, did anyone find out why they were stopping and searching people?

I agree with Ivanhoe, I think it's unlikely random stops and searches are going to prevent terrorism or knife crime. But I'd rather subscribe to the incompetence theory rather than the conspiracy theory. whoops! I'm off again.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90958#msg-90958 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:01:00 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90957#msg-90957 longlaner <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90957#msg-90957 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:55:18 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90956#msg-90956 Cnaeus Pompey <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
It is extremely unlikely (although not wholly impossible) that one might die in a terrorist attack or a street knife crime.

It is more likely one may die prematurely because of having an expensive life-saving drug being refused on the grounds there is not enough public money available – it's all been used to buy Northern Rock to the tune of 40 billion.

The misinformation is in the tabloids – the facts are in the FT.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90956#msg-90956 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:51:09 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90954#msg-90954 graham <forum@london-se1.co.uk> That's OK then, everyone go back to sleep.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90954#msg-90954 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:45:13 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90953#msg-90953 moriarty <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90953#msg-90953 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:44:34 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90950#msg-90950 Jonathan K <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
The biggest threat to public security is unfettered speculation – check the price of oil. This is killing thousands of people every day.

Whether the police are stopping and searching people purely for the admirable reasons they say they are or as part of some thought-control conspiracy it's important that we don't give up our right to criticise our public servants and make them accountable for their actions. Please let's not censure ourselves simply because the mass media tell us to be scared.[/quote]

You're confusing financial security with physical security.

Misinformation spread as fact is more dangerous than speculation, in my humble opinion.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/90845/90950#msg-90950 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:34:37 +0100