http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Fri, 15 May 2009 16:25:33 +0100 Fri, 15 May 2009 16:25:33 +0100 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/110209#msg-110209 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Gavin Smith)
Don't know if anyone else has noticed it but this has now been taken over by the restaurant in the vault for patrons' use only. I find this absolutely absurd and so took the Corporation of London (it's their land apparently) to task on it.

Apparently, the restaurant has a lease on the land which means they are entitled to deny access to the public/local residents.

I have done some digging and have found that the restaurant was only granted planning permission on the basis that the benches and public access would remain. That was only in April 2005 yet four years on (and no, they haven't made any application to restrict public access) they are trying to slip this in. I have a copy of the planning permission which explicitly states the land is for public use.

I have sent this information to the City of London and have asked that they ensure public access/the benches is/are reinstated asap. Wonder how far I'll get??

I think it is absolutely ridiculous that, as time goes on, public (locals') access to parts of the riverfront is restricted. We were here first, before these posh flats and restaurants, yet we are being sidelined.

BTW - Anchor Wharf (the converted brewery) or whatever it is called had padlocked the gates to Horsleydown Old Steps on the basis that its residents' windows were being targeted by kids throwing that stones. Be that as it may, they have no right to lock the gate to prevent our access. In fairness, however, the security guard acknowledged that the public were entitled to go down there and did offer to unlock the gates]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/110209#msg-110209 Fri, 15 May 2009 16:25:33 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/110208#msg-110208 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Gavin Smith)
Don't know if anyone else has noticed it but this has now been taken over by the restaurant in the vault for patrons' use only. I find this absolutely absurd and so took the Corporation of London (it's their land apparently) to task on it.

Apparently, the restaurant has a lease on the land which means they are entitled to deny access to the public/local residents.

I have done some digging and have found that the restaurant was only granted planning permission on the basis that the benches and public access would remain. That was only in April 2005 yet four years on (and no, they haven't made any application to restrict public access) they are trying to slip this in. I have a copy of the planning permission which explicitly states the land is for public use.

I have sent this information to the City of London and have asked that they ensure public access/the benches is/are reinstated asap. Wonder how far I'll get??

I think it is absolutely ridiculous that, as time goes on, public (locals') access to parts of the riverfront is restricted. We were here first, before these posh flats and restaurants, yet we are being sidelined.

BTW - Anchor Wharf (the converted brewery) or whatever it is called had padlocked the gates to Horsleydown Old Steps on the basis that its residents' windows were being targeted by kids throwing that stones. Be that as it may, they have no right to lock the gate to prevent our access. In fairness, however, the security guard acknowledged that the public were entitled to go down there and did offer to unlock the gates.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/110208#msg-110208 Fri, 15 May 2009 16:24:43 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109479#msg-109479 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109479#msg-109479 Sun, 03 May 2009 22:58:58 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109477#msg-109477 forum@london-se1.co.uk (scooter) There is no point just moving people on they need support in accessing appropriate agencies to enable them to make changes to their lifes. If a multi agency approach is not used then things will never change.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109477#msg-109477 Sun, 03 May 2009 22:24:02 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109475#msg-109475 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe)
However the life course does sound a bit New Labour, you're not wrong...but it's probably a worthy thing.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109475#msg-109475 Sun, 03 May 2009 20:03:51 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109469#msg-109469 forum@london-se1.co.uk (boroughpaul) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109469#msg-109469 Sun, 03 May 2009 18:48:53 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109468#msg-109468 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe)
The community police seemed to be taking very positive action (though it was them telling us, so I suppose they were probably biased!!), and were realistic about the problem.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109468#msg-109468 Sun, 03 May 2009 17:54:13 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109466#msg-109466 forum@london-se1.co.uk (boroughpaul)
Apparently the police and wardens are taking action on it, but it seems to be one of those things that's challenging to deal with.[/quote]

"taking action" ...such as??]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109466#msg-109466 Sun, 03 May 2009 17:26:07 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109459#msg-109459 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109459#msg-109459 Sun, 03 May 2009 13:37:57 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109457#msg-109457 forum@london-se1.co.uk (nomad) We've just returned from a first visit to Nice and surprised to see in an area associated with a more affluent environment, rough sleepers in the door ways at night and a number of beggars in the streets.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109457#msg-109457 Sun, 03 May 2009 13:24:34 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109450#msg-109450 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe)
Apparently the police and wardens are taking action on it, but it seems to be one of those things that's challenging to deal with.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109450#msg-109450 Sat, 02 May 2009 22:21:59 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109449#msg-109449 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Tolstoy) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109449#msg-109449 Sat, 02 May 2009 21:42:26 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109447#msg-109447 forum@london-se1.co.uk (markadams99)
Au contraire, also in San Francisco.[/quote]

You're right in that I see career begging in SF and eg Portland Oregon and a number of other left-run cities in the US, but I don't recall beggars at the Golden Gate Bridge in SF or the Brooklyn Bridge to make the comparison with Tower Bridge. Correct me if that's wrong. Most countries round the world take pride in their symbols and are ashamed to present beggars to guests from overseas who come to see world-class sites. Britain not.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109447#msg-109447 Sat, 02 May 2009 21:19:53 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109440#msg-109440 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Laphroaig)
Au contraire, also in San Francisco.

I saw them putting up the planters awhile back and wondered what they were for. Agree that it was rather grotty before.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109440#msg-109440 Sat, 02 May 2009 13:46:15 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109439#msg-109439 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Gordon OKR)
Nice wordplay.[/quote]

Love it
& Im told its pronounced more like "mossed" rather than "moast"

& love all the quotes etched on the glass, my favourite is Winnies]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109439#msg-109439 Sat, 02 May 2009 13:42:36 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109381#msg-109381 forum@london-se1.co.uk (markadams99) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109381#msg-109381 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:42:37 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109375#msg-109375 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Rambling Phil)
Nice wordplay.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109375#msg-109375 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:15:05 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109371#msg-109371 forum@london-se1.co.uk (markadams99) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109371#msg-109371 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:57:42 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109367#msg-109367 forum@london-se1.co.uk (John_George) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109367#msg-109367 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:10:53 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109366#msg-109366 forum@london-se1.co.uk (McQueen) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109366#msg-109366 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:54:14 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109360#msg-109360 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Colinio) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109360#msg-109360 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:39:14 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109351#msg-109351 forum@london-se1.co.uk (markadams99) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109351#msg-109351 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:56:51 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109349#msg-109349 forum@london-se1.co.uk (frederick) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109349#msg-109349 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:47:24 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109344#msg-109344 forum@london-se1.co.uk (markadams99) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109344#msg-109344 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:46:29 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109342#msg-109342 forum@london-se1.co.uk (justinito) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109342#msg-109342 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:25:11 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109339#msg-109339 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Boss St Bloke) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109339#msg-109339 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:42:37 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109331#msg-109331 forum@london-se1.co.uk (spacemaker) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109331#msg-109331 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:56:13 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109329#msg-109329 forum@london-se1.co.uk (shaggy) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109329#msg-109329 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:48:42 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109325#msg-109325 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Nihil_Dicit)
I definitely gets the morning and late afternoon sun (as the pics below show).

Has anyone tried it so far? Looks like a nice spot to enjoy a quiet glass of wine after work.

[img]http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/29Apr2009189.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/nihildicit2/29Apr2009190.jpg[/img]]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/109325/109325#msg-109325 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:11:48 +0100