http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:42:04 +0100 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:42:04 +0100 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/129628#msg-129628 forum@london-se1.co.uk (knowall) I have great memories of the area and the people - like most places, greatly changed these days.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/129628#msg-129628 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:42:04 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125695#msg-125695 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jerry cole) Can't remember the butter factory. Hankey Place, as you know was quite small. The ice cream factory was tucked in the corner opposite Medway House.
Yes Fogden's was a great place. Loved the side opposite the bacon counter. They had the sugar and currants and sultanas there. Loved the small scales they had and the way they used to serve the currants etc. in twists of stiff paper shaped in a cone.
Talking of smells, I still talk about Frank's fish and chip shop, just the other side of Fogden's yard. No reheated stuff at Frank's. He wrote up his frying times and you went there then. Used to love "a pennof of crackling". The scrapings of batter and chip ends.
The problem with my seeing things with an oddly humorous angle is that because I left in 1962 and have only been back twice, the last time in 2002, my mind is locked in a time warp of Bermondsey as it was. Sort of Rip Van Winkle. Therefore I overlay the old times over the new.
I'm not homophobic but I had to smile when I read some gays talking about a gay bar in Bermondsey Street. My last image was a caff there. It was grubby, with fly spotted mirrors and the customers were the old style working men. Big boots, broad leather belts, collarless shirts, usually wearing a wescot (waistcoat) and a flat "at; big mug of strong tea and a thick chunk of bread and drip. Times do change, to be sure.
But then I do remember my old man's reaction the first time my wife served up spaghetti. "Woss this then?"
He ate the lot and never noticed the heavy lacing of garlic]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125695#msg-125695 Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:14:50 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125694#msg-125694 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one)
We used the tunnel as well at Medway, do you remember the butter factory in hankey place? I cant remember the ice cream factory unless Anchor the butter place took it over?

The bread from Matthias was lovely, you must remember too Fogdens next door, the two sides, the Oil Shop where you could buy parafin, the wicks for the heaters,a quarter of nails, potwashers ( for you young ones that was washers sold to repair holes in the saucepans ) a smashing general hardware shop in fact.

The other side was groceries, they sold butter by the quarter, cheese cut with cheesewire with lovely thick rind on which I found out years later was fabric in some cases!

The little barbers nearby..Dennys greengrocers..

Going towards the Borough, the Bedford Wire works ( now a carpet sellers, posh ones I think )

Pickford Lorry place where all the lorrys went up a fairly steep slope...The chemist near Crosby Row, Schwarz? spent a whole six shillings on my first bottle of perfume from there..Gibbs pink toothcleaner in a tin! and here I go again...In Pilgramage street where Southwark credit union is now, georgie moles shop..]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125694#msg-125694 Sun, 25 Apr 2010 08:36:33 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125693#msg-125693 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jerry cole) One problem we had at the library back in the fifties was that Rowton House was nearby and the old derelicts used to flock into the reading room because it was warm and dry. I found one old man seated under a lectern with his boots and socks off one day. When asked what he was doing he wheezed it was trench foot. He was not alone in the characters we had as patrons.
Now that's a wildlife tour that has disappeared.
Sorry folks]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125693#msg-125693 Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:32:06 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125692#msg-125692 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jerry cole) Make no excuses for "waffling on" We are reliving the past and those who were not there are sometimes interested in what is said. We are a vanishing breed.
I remember( there it is again) Strood House. I lived my early life in Eastwell House. Went to Laxon Street Primary for a while so used to cut through and under the "tunnel" at Medway House. That area was very well known to me. I worked for Matthias the baker, delivering bread while I was at school and later worked for a short time at the ice cream factory in Hankey Place.
Loughborough Junction I also remember. I went to a youth club in Coldharbour Lane in the early fifties. The club was in the old church next to the railway arch. So it's a small world.
Aunty Pat,
As you can see the "I remember"s are taking hold.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125692#msg-125692 Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:18:31 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125691#msg-125691 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Auntie Pat) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125691#msg-125691 Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:36:42 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125673#msg-125673 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one)
I laughed at your morris dancing bit and the porters with their baskets balanced on their heads.. Whenever i start to think about things and start typing I have this tendence to waffle on! so will stop now..:-)]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125673#msg-125673 Sat, 24 Apr 2010 06:58:47 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125672#msg-125672 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jerry cole) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125672#msg-125672 Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:19:18 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125671#msg-125671 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jerry cole) Perhaps first I should introduce myself. Bit like Ron who started this thread, I was born and brought up in Weston Street Bermondsey and lived there until migrating to Oz in 1962.
I've reached the age where among other infirmities I suffer from a touch of chronic nostalgia, as many sentences start with "I remember"
First bit I don't remember is a photo of me on my uncle's knee when the family was celebrating King George V's jubilee. They had dragged the piano out into the street, no front on it, pianist and piano lubricated with beer and the top notes burned where the pianist rested his fag. My excuse for not remembering was that I was six months old.
'Opping down at Brenchley during the Battle of Britain. Back to Bermondsey for the Blitz. I remember how for a time we went "down the tube" at London Bridge and how on one occasion we couldn't get out. A land mine's parachute had hooked on a signal arm outside. They turned off the power to the rail lines and we walked along them and came out at the Borough.
I remember staying with my uncle and aunt at New Cross and regularly going with my uncle on his pony and cart up from New Cross along the Old Kent Road to the Borough Market. It used to fascinate me to see the porters with a tower of apples in wicker baskets balanced on their heads. Perhaps I'd better stop at this point as the attack of the "I remembers" can get a bit boring.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/125671#msg-125671 Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:10:28 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122725#msg-122725 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Bermondseygirl)
I was born in Rouel Road near the biscuit factory :) Could someone remember the name of the pie and mash shop - I thought it was in Albion Street, may be Im wrong as its a long time ago and I was only a kiddie when we lived there.

Mum used to leave us their with her friend who worked there and me and sis would sit at the wooden table with a (chipped) round white bowl with lumpy mash scraped on the side and lovely liquor poured over it. We'd cover it in salt and vinegar (never the chillis though, my sister told me that they were maggots at the bottom of the bottle :)) and eat it with a spoon. I can remember mum giving us 2d each to pay for it.

Oh, my nan was an air raid warden in the Blitz there, the only woman to be nominated for the George Cross (which I didnt even know about until Southwark archivist sent me the documentation). She was also the attendant at the swimming baths as she was a brilliant diver in her time.

Happy days. I also remember going down 'oppin in Kent but by that time we didnt NEED to, we would go for a day to visit relatives and us kids would go to sleep in the nets drugged by the smell of the hops.

All you guys missing pie and mash - Manzes and the Eel Man sell them frozen online - you buy a big pack of them delivered to your door.

Some years ago I went to Greenwich with one of my sons and was horrified to find the pie and mash shop there had been gentrified with - horror of horrors - a wine bar with table cloths on the tables! Much better is the one in Woolwich which still has the old cast iron and wooden benches, albeit painted a rather garish yellow :)]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122725#msg-122725 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:40:49 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122222#msg-122222 forum@london-se1.co.uk (margaret smith) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122222#msg-122222 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:04:30 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122219#msg-122219 forum@london-se1.co.uk (djmills) seems we've both moved around a bit ,firstly i'm sorry to say mum died in 1977 and dad in 1984
i married in 66 and lived at Forest Hill for awhile ,then we moved out to Wellingbourgh in Northamptonshire ,then moved to a village called Raunds close to wellingboro,sad to say we parted company ,i was lucky to meet my new partner and moved to Bristol ,and now we live just outside a seaside town.Weston-Super-Mare in Somerset ,think i've done wandering,but would love to visit Bermondsey again ,all the talk of pie and mash as awakened my taste buds]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122219#msg-122219 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:19:50 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122216#msg-122216 forum@london-se1.co.uk (margaret smith) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122216#msg-122216 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:59:42 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122213#msg-122213 forum@london-se1.co.uk (djmills) I think you will find the answer, to did i know Mr and Mrs Mills at the start of your reply to me ,"hi djmills".
Have you guessed ,yep thats it ,i'm thier son,but i left home the year before you moved there.
Dad,worked in the garage,when it was a lorry firm.
I lived in both houses,the one on the right ,we had the basement and first floor ,lived there from the age of five that would have been in 57 ,then next door we had the top two floors ,was there from,around 1957 ,i left in 1962, do you know if that huge tree is still there
Like yourself i loved living there as well had a great time growing up there ,Bermondsey was our playground]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122213#msg-122213 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:29:10 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122196#msg-122196 forum@london-se1.co.uk (margaret smith) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122196#msg-122196 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:49:30 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122192#msg-122192 forum@london-se1.co.uk (margaret smith) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122192#msg-122192 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:06:13 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122190#msg-122190 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Auntie Pat)
When I was young I was never allowed to go to Saturday morning pictures as it was too "rough" - sounds like my Mum was right!
My great-nan was a big fan of the pictures and would always take me to see the latest Carry-On or Norman Wisdom film either at the ABC or the Odeon (the Troc). We would usually go after school when it was quiet, and would go in at any time as the films were on a continuous showing. I don't think we ever got to see a film in the right order - we'd catch the ending, watch the ads and the shorts, and then watch the main feature from the start and then my great-nan would say "this is where we came in" and we would get up and go!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122190#msg-122190 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:22:40 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122184#msg-122184 forum@london-se1.co.uk (margaret smith) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122184#msg-122184 Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:25:53 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122174#msg-122174 forum@london-se1.co.uk (margaret smith) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122174#msg-122174 Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:07:34 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122161#msg-122161 forum@london-se1.co.uk (djmills) The houses next to the petrol station ,that you lived in,would they be the large Victorian ones with the twin post and canopies over the front door.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122161#msg-122161 Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:44:12 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122155#msg-122155 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one)
There were some links on here to photos of some of the staff in the old Martin Rice factory trying on some of the posh coats!

and you must have bunked in the old Trocette pictures.....long piece if wire hooked around the doors at the side..the big bloke who walked up and down inside with a bat on saturday mornings...
singing' we cum along on a saturday morning, greeting evry body wiv a smile']]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122155#msg-122155 Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:23:25 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122151#msg-122151 forum@london-se1.co.uk (margaret smith) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/122151#msg-122151 Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:33:32 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120768#msg-120768 forum@london-se1.co.uk (viv34)
My son later went London Nautical, and is a serving soldier in 1 para. (special forces support) He's recently served in Afganistan. thank the Lord he's back now. We were straight down Manzie's for pie mash.Mmmm it's the small things in life that mean so much.

Hartley's Jam Factory has been refurbished into luxury apartments. Not sure if Robert de Nero owns the building or just one apartment.

The Old Vic theatre is now run by the American actor Kevin Bacon. Both sets of grandparents lived in Waterloo, (Sully and Smith) it was so run down after the war, no-body would believe then how desirable and touristy it has all now become.

Although, economically good for the area, us locals are slowly being pushed out. I brought my flat, and Southwark council service charges are seeing to that.

Anyway, keep up the nostalgia, it's good to hear we are still around.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120768#msg-120768 Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:41:51 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120742#msg-120742 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120742#msg-120742 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:57:34 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120707#msg-120707 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Auntie Pat) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120707#msg-120707 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:25:38 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120690#msg-120690 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one) If I can remember them I'm sure my girls can..:-)]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120690#msg-120690 Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:07:07 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120666#msg-120666 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Auntie Pat)
She was terrifying, and I dreaded being sent to see her, but she was also incredibly kind.

Miss Davies used to have a little dog which was very popular. Do your girls remember Miss Simmons? she only retired a few years ago and had been there since the 60s!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120666#msg-120666 Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:18:21 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120661#msg-120661 forum@london-se1.co.uk (pearlykingjim) Sorry for the long delay, a couple of months ago you asked if anyone knew the Robinsons,Tomkins ,Judds Ect
I knew em all well. I have Just talked to someone who lived in Innis House and i have not seen for about 30 years, we was talking for ages about the time and the people who lived down the lane, the Butlers-Pooleys-fiddlers-Erwins-Mc Donalds
Happy days]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120661#msg-120661 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:50:52 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120653#msg-120653 forum@london-se1.co.uk (rosieh) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120653#msg-120653 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:50:17 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120297#msg-120297 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one)
Auntie Pat when my daughters were at st.olave I think it was Miss Davies/Davis? incredible to think in 106 years now it's on it's fifth head mistress!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/120078/120297#msg-120297 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:14:51 +0000