http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:27:52 +0000 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:27:52 +0000 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/123545#msg-123545 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts) Yes, that is my understanding.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/123545#msg-123545 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:27:52 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/123527#msg-123527 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ed73)
So with the new decision on Oyster cards, can I theoretically buy an Oyster card, top it up with a tenner or so that I'll rarely use as I don't travel Tube very much, and pass through the barriers without charge?

I realise this will upset Phil 2009 very much as I don't contribute to London Underground, but it'll make it easier for me and that's what counts. ;)]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/123527#msg-123527 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:56:46 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/123356#msg-123356 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts)
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4395

You can now also use an Oyster card to pass through the station without incurring a charge, regardless of whether you are using Oyster for your National Rail journey or not.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/123356#msg-123356 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:33:07 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/122217#msg-122217 forum@london-se1.co.uk (RobertFox)
I agree with Gaby that the oyster barriers could be at the top of the escalators and this would stop any dodging of fares.

It is like Marks & Spencer saying you can't come into our shop. We have shop lifters, you may shop lift so we will charge you for going into the shop.

After all this it seems as if I was given the wrong information by a member of staff. I was using an Oyster pay as you go so I didn't need the platform ticket!

Will be interesting to see what happens.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/122217#msg-122217 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:00:36 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121914#msg-121914 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe)
However I somehow think you won't be convinced by what I say, so you just stick to walking in the rain between the two stations.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121914#msg-121914 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:38:36 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121911#msg-121911 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Phil 2009) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121911#msg-121911 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:05:20 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121910#msg-121910 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121910#msg-121910 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:52:09 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121908#msg-121908 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Phil 2009) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121908#msg-121908 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:40:18 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121907#msg-121907 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121907#msg-121907 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:33:14 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121906#msg-121906 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Phil 2009) How can there be a joined up transport system with privatised companies and PPP? Nobody needs to make a mockery of the Mayor's ideas, he does that well enough himself :)
Anyway, exercise is beneficial!!!! Ha ha!!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121906#msg-121906 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:27:04 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121903#msg-121903 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Possel)
But the situation makes a mockery of the Mayor's ideas of a joined up transport system, and does not benefit the people who pay for it and use it.

Interesting that you registered on this forum just to post your pointless comment!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121903#msg-121903 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:34:31 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121886#msg-121886 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Phil 2009) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121886#msg-121886 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:37:43 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121836#msg-121836 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Gaby)
If you have to use Southwark Station in this way twice each day, the platform ticket charges alone will add a whopping £500 a year to your travel bill!

As Robert said, the justification for this nonsense is that hordes of us with paper season or daily rail tickets will sneak off down the escalator and have a free tube ride. Okay, but how will we get out again if we don't have a valid ticket? I have asked the staff at Southwark Station to explain to me where all these fare dodgers are. Are they all still down there, living out the rest of their lives in the tunnels?

Most of the staff at Southwark Station hate this rule but they'll lose their jobs if they admit it publicly. One of them told me that it would be the easiest thing in the world to allow paper ticket holders through. I wrote to everybody last year, including the TFL lawyers and Boris, but got absolutely nowhere. If there are any lawyers reading this, I would love to know if it is legal to charge people for a platform ticket if they are not going anywhere near a platform. It must surely be against the Trade Descriptions Act, at the very least. It would be more honest to call it an 'escalator ticket' or a 'walk across our concourse' ticket. But why should we have to pay to use an escalator on top of our already exorbitant fares? I'm allowed to walk freely through the Waterloo mainline station concourse and use their escalators without having to pay an extra charge, so why does Southwark have to be so different?

I've asked whether it would be possible to put the barriers at the top of the escalators that lead down to the tube platform (there's masses of room; it's a vast, unused space)but am always met with a look of blank incomprehension, as if I'm a complete moron.

I can't imagine common sense ever prevailing in this case, but thank you for letting me have my rant anyway!

Gaby]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121836#msg-121836 Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:35:57 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121806#msg-121806 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ninja999)
Must be a deluge of 75 yr olds that fair dodge or something ....lol]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121806#msg-121806 Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:15:11 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121779#msg-121779 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe)
Well done with this one James!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121779#msg-121779 Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:10:35 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121538#msg-121538 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121538#msg-121538 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:24:34 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121537#msg-121537 forum@london-se1.co.uk (theedy) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121537#msg-121537 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:23:07 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121533#msg-121533 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts)
If you use Oyster PAYG to get into Waterloo East then travel on National Rail with a paper ticket, a punitive charge will be applied to your Oyster card.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121533#msg-121533 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:41:19 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121532#msg-121532 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe)
James, do you know if we can go into Waterloo East via Southwark in the same way as exiting?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121532#msg-121532 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:32:27 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121474#msg-121474 forum@london-se1.co.uk (RobertFox) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121474#msg-121474 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:06:12 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121463#msg-121463 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121463#msg-121463 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:28:02 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121462#msg-121462 forum@london-se1.co.uk (donna flavia) I have had the same experience of staff saying I should have paid a platform tic as RobertFox. However theylet me off on it and let me through the barrier. Of course what happened then was I was charged £4.00 on my oyster for not swiping out. Which I eventually got back through a series of frustrating phone calls!!! You can't win.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121462#msg-121462 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:18:32 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121458#msg-121458 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts)
When you pass through the barriers a complicated series of deductions and additions is made to your Oyster PAYG balance, but it is adjusted to the correct National Rail fare by the time you pass through the final set of barriers.

The only people who need to pay for platform tickets are those who arrive at Waterloo East using paper tickets (ie from outside the Oyster PAYG zones).]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121458#msg-121458 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:26:54 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121455#msg-121455 forum@london-se1.co.uk (RobertFox)
I live near Southwark Tube and decided to use that exit from Waterloo East only to be told that I would need to pay £1 for a platform ticket but wouldn't pay anything if I left via Waterloo station.

Is it just me or does that seem really unfair? When I asked the staff they were very pleasant and said that it was the rules. The justification being that people could go through the barriers from Waterloo East and then use the tube for free at Southwark.

Has anyone else been annoyed by this and complained to Transport for London. If so it would be great if I could complain to the same person and hopefully get something done about it.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/121455/121455#msg-121455 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:20:48 +0000