http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:14:14 +0000 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:14:14 +0000 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123310#msg-123310 forum@london-se1.co.uk (nigel) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123310#msg-123310 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:14:14 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123303#msg-123303 forum@london-se1.co.uk (JonR) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123303#msg-123303 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:08:05 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123276#msg-123276 forum@london-se1.co.uk (kenhaynes) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123276#msg-123276 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:50:06 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123161#msg-123161 forum@london-se1.co.uk (JonR) They're not putting bike hire racks in stations (the obvious place for people to pick them up and use them) because they'll be overused, and people will complain that there aren't any available, so instead they put them in places like Bricklayers Arms Roundabout! A huge roundabout, main roads on all sides, bad pedestrian access routes (higher percieved crime rate around underpasses?), generally not a destination (ie somewhere you go 'through' rather than 'to'), and so likely to fail when it comes to being a good place for bike hire stands.
For this to work, you need to get commuters using them, rather than (as well as!) locals.
A better place (imo of course), would be outside of smaller tube and train stations that only serve one route (Southwark, Bermondsey, Borough, Lambeth North, etc), or in bus stations (already covered by CCTV, generally safer environments).]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123161#msg-123161 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:53:26 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123156#msg-123156 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ssimps01)
The cycle lane on Black friars used to be between the bus land and the rest of the traffic.
Take a look at this:
http://ralphsmyth.me.uk/citycyclists/blackfriars.html

It would have been as well to have a guy pushing cyclists under a bus every now and then.

I'd scratch Waterloo from that list for the moment.
I've been getting the bus south over Waterloo late at night recently - chasing the terrified cyclists across the brige now it's down to one lane.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123156#msg-123156 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:23:13 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123130#msg-123130 forum@london-se1.co.uk (mick4recycle) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123130#msg-123130 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:22:14 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123122#msg-123122 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ivanhoe)
But I suppose that may be my fault for believing something I read in the paper.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123122#msg-123122 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:03:45 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123109#msg-123109 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ssimps01)
http://www.bikeradar.com/gallery/article/london-cycle-hire-scheme-moves-to-planning-stage-21367?img=2&pn=london-cycle-hire-scheme-moves-to-planning-stage&mlc=news%2Farticle

Looks like there will be some within 300m of mainline stations - as they're all in zone 1/2 it would be almost impossible not to be within 300m of a mainline station.
There will be far more than I realised - 400 location. Or at least that's what's planned.

Lambeth council have published a detailed list of locations - including Lambeth North tube station, a few on Lower Marsh and some just around the Royal Festival hall.

I'm actually quite impressed.

On a related note - does anyone know what a cycle superhighway is meant to be. The best I can gather is that it is a cycle lane painted blue instead of green?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123109#msg-123109 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:22:11 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123107#msg-123107 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ivanhoe)
Surely this just means that, rather than looking on the station concourse and seeing that there aren't any bikes available, one will now have to walk 300m to see that there are no bikes available.

Great Borisian logic at work.

At least I suppose we should acknowledge that, only 2 years after being elected, he has finally taken a step towards fulfilling one of his promises.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123107#msg-123107 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:03:09 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123101#msg-123101 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ssimps01)
I read in the Evening Standard that Boris decided not to place bikes near Waterloo Station because they'd all get taken by commuters. I thought that was the general idea myself.
So instead they've decided to place them in more out of the way spots so that they won't get used as much.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123101#msg-123101 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:41:14 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123080#msg-123080 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Mutton)
[url]http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23809530-eleven-hospitalised-in-central-london-bus-crash.do[/url]

Exactly the same spot I got forced onto the kerb by a bus in Dec 2009 at the London Bridge approach.

*sigh*]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123080#msg-123080 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:38:58 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123079#msg-123079 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Mutton)
My point from way back when was that I think the roads are dangerous in this area and that these public rental bikes are a bad idea. I'm used to the roads around here now, but I still get the occasional scare. Putting this rental scheme in these areas isn't the smartest move. Something reinforced by these kind of comments:

[quote]There are some roads and junctions cyclists should simply not be allowed near for their own safety.[/quote]

[quote]It is quite possible to cycle perfectly safely on most of London's roads - there are roads where this isn't possible - like London Bridge. The answer is simple - go over another bridge or continue having 'that was a bit close moments.'[/quote]

Given what people are saying, is it such a good idea to put these bikes within spitting distance of London and Tower Bridge?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123079#msg-123079 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:33:14 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123074#msg-123074 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ssimps01) Riding a motorbike is very different - you have the speed to get out of trouble and move with the rest of the traffic - or past the rest of the traffic.

I suspect the reason I've not had any near misses as a cyclist - I have had near misses on my motorbike - is that I am more careful on a pushbike. I use Southwark Bridge to cross the river - it's safe as houses. I would never cross Black Friars/London or Tower on a push bike.

There are some roads and junctions cyclists should simply not be allowed near for their own safety.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123074#msg-123074 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:50:19 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123062#msg-123062 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ivanhoe)
I've had a couple of close moments (thankfully, not recently), and I've got to say that they have been at least partially down to me being impatient to make progress (leading to me being too close to another vehicle, chancing the overtake when it wasn't really there, not being prepared to wait my turn, etc), or to me not riding defensively (or, sometimes, assertively, enough).

It's easy to blame the other person, but I'd rather adopt the "everyone's out to get me" approach and get home safely, than to be calling other people muppets and arguing the toss over who was in the wrong from the back of an ambulance.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123062#msg-123062 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:09:42 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123054#msg-123054 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Mutton)
I'm suprised if you've never had just one of these thing happen in your many years of cycling. Good look in the future with that.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123054#msg-123054 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:15:45 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123052#msg-123052 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ssimps01)
On a bicycle I have never had a 'that was a bit close moment.'

I you are having these moments twice a week you should stop cycling today.

It is quite possible to cycle perfectly safely on most of London's roads - there are roads where this isn't possible - like London Bridge. The answer is simple - go over another bridge or continue having 'that was a bit close moments.']]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123052#msg-123052 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:33:42 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123026#msg-123026 forum@london-se1.co.uk (thomas)
Whereabouts did you see this?[/quote]

The cycle rent scheme at Bricklayers will be here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&q=se1+4tl&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&hl=en&hq=&hnear=London+SE1+4TL,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.495075,-0.085788&spn=0.000446,0.001206&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=51.494969,-0.086014&panoid=ThhatvS-GoOyO3axr_geSQ&cbp=12,14.08,,0,10.91]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123026#msg-123026 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:22:04 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123023#msg-123023 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Hellzbellz) I've come along this evening and it's disappeared, not a trace of the works ever being done. Did someone dig the holes in the wrong place and hurridly move further down the road to the Bricklayers Arms? Or was I imagining it all?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123023#msg-123023 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:36:23 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123015#msg-123015 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Emmesse)
Whereabouts did you see this?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/123015#msg-123015 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:33:47 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122518#msg-122518 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zoe)
I also don't think there's any evidence new cyclists are more likely to break the law, but let's set a good example. I've realised that when I stop at red lights people behind me stop, but if I'm towards the back of a group I'll see people ahead jumping the lights. Clearly moral pressure is effective, I wonder if there are other uses for my super power, lol.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122518#msg-122518 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:35:34 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122516#msg-122516 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Mutton) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122516#msg-122516 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:54:30 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122496#msg-122496 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Luke)
It should also give a much wider pool of people the option of trying cycling and learning how to ride - perhaps even without wobbling - in traffic. It may even give drivers a really convenient way of being able to leave the car at home when not carrying lots of stuff.

Who knows, deciding to cycle for a specific journey may even become a function of common sense and convenience that is perceived as being open to all rather than an all encompassing lifestyle choice!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122496#msg-122496 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:36:40 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122480#msg-122480 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Gwynaethva)
I completely agree - I've been cycling since 2006 and I'm also a bit of a 'taking the lane' cyclist (I'm assertive and very used to judging which drivers are probably going to do idiotic things that will endanger me (like overtaking me and then immediately turning left for a start)) and I think that I still have probably around two experiences per week where I go - 'Sheesh, that was a bit close...'

The idea of uneducated, slow, wobbly cyclists newly taking to the road in zone 1 scares the **** out of me.

And that's not even considering all the lack of bike etiquette (as I call it) that'll be evident (pavement riding/ pedestrian crossing jumping/ undertaking etc) to make people hate cyclists even more!

Sigh...]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122480#msg-122480 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:25:15 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122478#msg-122478 forum@london-se1.co.uk (truthmonkey)
You might want to see these other threads for further locations/views on the scheme:

http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/113170
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/117539]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122478#msg-122478 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:10:07 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122471#msg-122471 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Mutton) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122471#msg-122471 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:36:38 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122463#msg-122463 forum@london-se1.co.uk (JohnBoy49)
Anyone know more about this?

I saw they have a few in Dublin when I was back there recently. Popular there.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/122463/122463#msg-122463 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:37:47 +0000