http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:20:45 +0100 Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:20:45 +0100 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/125538#msg-125538 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Gwynaethva)
You've forgotten one key group in all of this - the pedestrians. Many pedestrians (a far higher percentage than that of drivers or cyclists in my eyes) are irresponsible and careless. You criticise a cyclist for listening to headphones, but what about those on foot who walk into a cycle lane, or into the road, unable to hear the cyclist ringing their bell? It happens to me on a daily basis, yet it's rare I ever see a cyclist speed through a red light - most will slow right down and use their judgement as to whether or not to proceed.

I cycle, and I walk, and I drive. I can appreciate all 3 views, and as you say, it is the careless individuals, not their mode of transport, that is the problem, but lets not forget that those on foot are quite often also careless and blissfully unaware of their own responsibility to themselves and others.

Sorry for taking this slightly off topic.[/quote]

Hear hear. Well put - from another pedestrian/ cyclist/ driver.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/125538#msg-125538 Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:20:45 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/125528#msg-125528 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Guy's street)
If we just use blanket labels of 'cyclist' and 'driver', there is a lot of fault on both sides. But it isn't fair to treat everybody the same and tar them with these stereotypes. We are dealing with individuals. The problem isn't cyclists. The problem isn't drivers of motor vehicles. There are unbelievably responsible and courteous people in each of these groups. The real problem is that some individuals are just plain irresponsible, careless and dangerous. They can be in either group. They could even be in both of these groups.

The only real way to improve safety for pedestrians, cyclists and drivers would be to get people like this off the roads completely- be them drivers of motor vehicles *or* cyclists.

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You've forgotten one key group in all of this - the pedestrians. Many pedestrians (a far higher percentage than that of drivers or cyclists in my eyes) are irresponsible and careless. You criticise a cyclist for listening to headphones, but what about those on foot who walk into a cycle lane, or into the road, unable to hear the cyclist ringing their bell? It happens to me on a daily basis, yet it's rare I ever see a cyclist speed through a red light - most will slow right down and use their judgement as to whether or not to proceed.

I cycle, and I walk, and I drive. I can appreciate all 3 views, and as you say, it is the careless individuals, not their mode of transport, that is the problem, but lets not forget that those on foot are quite often also careless and blissfully unaware of their own responsibility to themselves and others.

Sorry for taking this slightly off topic.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/125528#msg-125528 Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:24:10 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/125487#msg-125487 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/125487#msg-125487 Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:44:23 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124616#msg-124616 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Paul) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124616#msg-124616 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:15:48 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124613#msg-124613 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Paul) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124613#msg-124613 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:54:52 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124504#msg-124504 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Mutton)
I wasn't able to get the details of the truck due to it charging off, but I'll write to the Met Polices Commercial Vehicle Unit that was mentioned above in the hope that they have CCTV coverage of what happened.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124504#msg-124504 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:24:27 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124485#msg-124485 forum@london-se1.co.uk (eDWaRD WooDWaRD)
Not only that, but it has clear signals as well, i.e. the signs painted on the road itself, indicating that GGS has precedence, and a street sign indicating that turning right is prohibited. Both these signals are consistently ignored, also by drivers who use that little dead end back alley on the other side of GGS to park or deliver. It used to be a very quiet street, quite safe for cyclists, schoolchildren and other pedestrians, but now it appears to have been contaminated by the general traffic madness as well. I am writing to the council to draw their attention to this, but I doubt it will be picked up, unless something serious happens.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124485#msg-124485 Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:48:42 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124484#msg-124484 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124484#msg-124484 Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:30:43 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124457#msg-124457 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Tolstoy) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124457#msg-124457 Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:24:13 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124450#msg-124450 forum@london-se1.co.uk (eDWaRD WooDWaRD) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124450#msg-124450 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:39:56 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124117#msg-124117 forum@london-se1.co.uk (beetroot) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124117#msg-124117 Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:14:45 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124100#msg-124100 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one)
Shame no one thought of using another ancient highway, our beloved River Thames, loads of barges to transport all the rubble down to a more suitable place to offload!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124100#msg-124100 Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:32:32 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124094#msg-124094 forum@london-se1.co.uk (KarenF)
Can we not start a petition to stop these lorries coming down these small streets and to drive in the proper way and then present it to The Shard.

I, also, screamed at a lorry 2 days ago driving like an absolutely idiot down Bermondsey Street. Someone else will be killed if something is not done about this now. I'm talking pedestrians, cyclists and other road users.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124094#msg-124094 Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:03:11 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124092#msg-124092 forum@london-se1.co.uk (MR MC) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/124092#msg-124092 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:31:07 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123944#msg-123944 forum@london-se1.co.uk (beetroot)
I saw a motorbike aim his weapon at a pedestrian at the junction as the pedestrian was just getting across the road on the 'pedestrian priority' crossing (the raised, cobbled bit). The man leapt out of the way and was asking me 'did you see that!?'. What was particularly sad was this was on the afternoon of day that Muhammed Haris Ahmed was killed.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123944#msg-123944 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:56:35 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123937#msg-123937 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Tattie)
Cyclists love this part of the car/truck since it makes for easy cycling as you're in the slipstream of the car. But the driver can't see you....]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123937#msg-123937 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:33:52 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123935#msg-123935 forum@london-se1.co.uk (kpflude@chr.org.uk) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123935#msg-123935 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:24:52 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123931#msg-123931 forum@london-se1.co.uk (xtinecop)
The drivers of these do appear reckless to me and the design of said vehicles must make it difficult to see cyclists and pedestrians.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123931#msg-123931 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:40:12 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123747#msg-123747 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ivanhoe) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123747#msg-123747 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:54:32 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123737#msg-123737 forum@london-se1.co.uk (John Dunn) 10 years ago i was my self involved in a collision with a cyclist whom iam sorry to say lost her life. Whilest i was cleared of blame for the accident it didnt make it any easier to cope or deal with the after effect.I feel deeply for the victims family but i allso feel for the driver.
This incident high lights the ever present dangers on our roads, we all need to keeep our wits about us on a bike or just walking.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123737#msg-123737 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:56:45 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123736#msg-123736 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Tom Pepper)
The Congestion Charge MIGHT, just MIGHT, have worked in making the roads of the capital less congested if those that planned and implemented it hadn't believed their own projections re the number of drivers who would give up their cars and take to public transport rather than pay it.
I freely admit that I do not know the percentages involved, but it must have been presumed that many would quit, never to return to their cars, as within twelve to eighteen months of the CC's inception a whole tranche of roads was closed to vehicles and others that had adequately carried two way traffic for years suddenly became one way for motor vehicles, the other way for cycles, e.g. Torrington Place WC1.
Trafalgar Square became Trafalgar mini round and all surrounding approach roads became semi permanently static due to the eight second green phased traffic lights that are there.
A slew of traffic lights that were "tweaked" into longer red phases under Gauleiter Livingstone were allegedly going to be "de-tweaked" by Mr. Johnson, I wouldn't recommend holding one's breath while waiting for that to occur.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123736#msg-123736 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:38:58 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123725#msg-123725 forum@london-se1.co.uk (urbanite)
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23814255-friends-mourn-cyclist-killed-on-bike-safety-launch-day.do]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123725#msg-123725 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:41:20 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123717#msg-123717 forum@london-se1.co.uk (chalkey) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123717#msg-123717 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:55:59 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123702#msg-123702 forum@london-se1.co.uk (urbanite) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123702#msg-123702 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:45:11 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123689#msg-123689 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one)
That scene will be etched in their minds forever.

Not only should new cars have the fasten your seat belts indicators, when the doors open a its a pity a voice cant shout out wait..look...]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123689#msg-123689 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:43:08 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123684#msg-123684 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Mutton)
Pops - I sympathise with you in many ways . I was nearly hit on Monday lunchtime myself by *two* cyclists who blatantly ignored red lights at a pedestrian crossing.

If we just use blanket labels of 'cyclist' and 'driver', there is a lot of fault on both sides. But it isn't fair to treat everybody the same and tar them with these stereotypes. We are dealing with individuals. The problem isn't cyclists. The problem isn't drivers of motor vehicles. There are unbelievably responsible and courteous people in each of these groups. The real problem is that some individuals are just plain irresponsible, careless and dangerous. They can be in either group. They could even be in both of these groups.

The only real way to improve safety for pedestrians, cyclists and drivers would be to get people like this off the roads completely- be them drivers of motor vehicles *or* cyclists.

Sterner policing of vehicle drivers would be good. 'Trivial' things such as turning without indicating, dangerous overtaking, or simply opening a car door in the path of cyclists should be clamped down on and points/bans dished out. Likewise for cyclists, maybe we need to be licensed too and get hammered with fines and bans for running lights and endangering pedestrians - I'd be very willing to do that. I can't stand the behaviour of some cyclists. I don't want to be associated with them, and can see why people have can issues with cyclists.

If people can't be responsible enough around others, they should be given the privilege to be on the road. It's something that should be earned

I noticed Boris has picked up on both this incident and the sad news of another cyclists death under the wheels of a tipper truck up the road in Victoria park today - [url=http://twitter.com/MayorOfLondon/status/10271073377][/url]. It coincides with the launch of an educational campaign aimed at making people *think*. I doubt it will really achieve anything though. It's hard to change people behaviour. S gimmicky advertising campaign isn't going to make any impression on somebody's nature.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123684#msg-123684 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:04:05 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123682#msg-123682 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Pops) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123682#msg-123682 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:11:46 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123681#msg-123681 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Clive S) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123681#msg-123681 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:53:37 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123680#msg-123680 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Clive S)
We back to blaming the victim again? The family of the victim will draw some comfort from that.Plesae rememeber that very morning Boris was leading the call, again, to encourage the up-take of cyclists on our streets.
Recently Weston Street has had two initiatives: the junction of Leathemarket Street (Southwark Council) and Snowsfields (Team London Bridge). Neither were aimed at safety, neither discouraged speeding and neither party will put their hands up to acknowledge their complicity in wasting money when lives should be the primary goal.
I wish the family every respect and was heartened to see locals had placed flowers and candles outside the Rose pub.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123680#msg-123680 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:51:08 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123661#msg-123661 forum@london-se1.co.uk (eDWaRD WooDWaRD)
Not 100% sure but this may be the number:

34 Aitken Road
Catford
SE6 3BG


020 8284 5917]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/123569/123661#msg-123661 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:15:37 +0000