http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Tue, 16 May 2006 22:48:42 +0100 Tue, 16 May 2006 22:48:42 +0100 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/52389#msg-52389 forum@london-se1.co.uk (wjfox2004)
All these delays...... It's becoming a bit of a joke to be honest.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/52389#msg-52389 Tue, 16 May 2006 22:48:42 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/49318#msg-49318 forum@london-se1.co.uk (mickysalt) the remaining floors.

with a luxery apertment for ken Livingston on the top floor,]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/49318#msg-49318 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:17:05 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/49282#msg-49282 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts)
I realise Property Week is subscription-only so you can't link to the article easily, but that doesn't make it OK to copy and paste the whole thing.

Thanks]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/49282#msg-49282 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:41:04 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/49280#msg-49280 forum@london-se1.co.uk (wjfox2004)
Transport for London and PricewaterhouseCoopers linked with developer's two projects

By Daniel Thomas


The consortium behind the Shard tower above London Bridge station is to begin the development of Europe's tallest tower this year.

Developer Irvine Sellar told Property Week that he had a 300,000 sq ft (27,870 sq m) tenant ‘in solicitor's hands', giving him a mandate to start on site.

Sellar declined to name the tenant, but sources said the most likely anchor tenant for the tower is Transport for London or PricewaterhouseCoopers.

‘The funding package is close to being finalised, and we are in talks with two restaurant operators,' said Sellar. ‘This building will commence on site this year.'

The news comes as the consortium, which includes Irvine Sellar's Sellar Property Group, CLS Holdings, and Buckingham Securities representing the Halabi Family Trust, this week won planning consent for the adjacent Renzo Piano-designed office building, New London Bridge House.

Transport for London has been talking to the team at the tower for several months. The transport authority is looking to take up to 600,000 sq ft (55,741 sq m) of office space around London.

It is understood that the Greater London Authority body wants to separate this into three offices centred on transport nodes around the capital.

Sources close to the office search say that London mayor Ken Livingstone is keen for Transport for London to take at least part of its space at the building. Any such prelet would guarantee the finance to start the building, adding to the regeneration of the south London area that started with the mayor's own headquarters at More London.

The move could prove controversial as rents at the building were expected to exceed £45/sq ft (£484.40/sq m), while Transport for London is seeking a rent nearer to £30/sq ft (£322.90/sq m).

It is thought that the lower levels of the Shard are available for much less, however, and a deal could be struck in the next few months. Chinese hotel group Shangri-La has agreed to take 18 of the 66 floors.

Drivers Jonas is acting for Transport for London; Savills and CB Richard Ellis are advising on the Shard.

Sellar said New London Bridge House would also start on site this year, and that talks were progressing with potential occupiers.

New London Bridge House will involve the demolition of a 1960s office tower to develop a 600,000 sq ft (55,741 sq m) office and retail building. Cushman & Wakefield advised on planning.

He said: ‘We're very pleased with the planning decision as, although we were confident, all planning committees can be a bit of a lottery. Both buildings will be completed before 2011.'

PricewaterhouseCoopers, which occupies the site of the Shard, is also looking at the two buildings to house its office requirement, which could be for up to 400,000 sq ft (37,160 sq m).

A Transport for London spokeswoman said: ‘We are looking at all options at the moment.']]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/49280#msg-49280 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:33:55 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/47312#msg-47312 forum@london-se1.co.uk (wjfox2004)
I expected a better response than this - as I said, LBT securing an office tenant is major news, as there were doubts this 1000ft skyscraper would even go ahead at all. But it now looks 100% certain to be built... which means there will soon be a landmark the size of the Eiffel Tower going up in Central London.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/lbt10a.jpg]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/47312#msg-47312 Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:25:16 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/47311#msg-47311 forum@london-se1.co.uk (mickysalt)
I've hardly commented on the shard of glass at all on any threads ,

so I don't see why you think any news about it would be of particular interest to me.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/47311#msg-47311 Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:36:22 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/47308#msg-47308 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Lang Rabbie)
Please do go back to your own board and stop trolling here. We're perfectly aware of your views...

[quote=wjfox2002 on SkyscaperCity Forums]
wjfox2002August 5th, 2005, 02:37 PM
Yep, they're full of shit on the SE1 website.[/quote]

asterisks inserted by this forum's software - full unexpurgated version at:
http://skyscrapercity.com/archive/index.php/t-230155.html]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/47308#msg-47308 Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:18:37 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/47300#msg-47300 forum@london-se1.co.uk (wjfox2004)
It is reported in the property industry that a large pre-let is about to me made on the office space within the Shard, and that this will kick-start construction of the tower......

:-)

Oooh, Micky Salt will be so pleased :-)]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/47300#msg-47300 Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:04:25 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/44844#msg-44844 forum@london-se1.co.uk (wjfox2004)
http://shardlondonbridge.com/timeline/development_programme.php
]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/44844#msg-44844 Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:55:55 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/42063#msg-42063 forum@london-se1.co.uk (wjfox2004)
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?13305223

Heights are to scale.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/42063#msg-42063 Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:45:25 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/42054#msg-42054 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Niall Connolly)
Bring it on!

Niall]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/42054#msg-42054 Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:38:26 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/42050#msg-42050 forum@london-se1.co.uk (bod42zx)
To briefly summarize, the latest situation with regards a likely start date remains the same: that more tenants are needed to sign up before work can start. (60% required of the available 585,000 sq.ft)

As for figures, the article puts construction costs at £300m plus c£70m to terminate PWC's lease, giving a total of c£400m to build to 'shell and core.' However, the end value is put at c£1bn.

"The team are taking a long term view...." (!)



]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/42050#msg-42050 Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:42:25 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/42009#msg-42009 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Thys) -------------------------------------------------------
> Good luck with that. The idea of property
> developers being open about the progress they're
> making (or not) with getting their buildings built
> is quite a good joke!

I make myself no illusions on how open the property developers will be. The facts speak pretty much for themselves, and that all has been dug up by people that (regrettably) spend a lot more time with these people than I will do.

What I can do however, is give a clear roundup on how things are going in general, and give my Dutch readers an impression on what is going on in London concering high-rise buildings.

And jackie: Check your private mssgs! :)

]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/42009#msg-42009 Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:22:31 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41592#msg-41592 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jackie rokotnitz) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41592#msg-41592 Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:35:17 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41591#msg-41591 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jackie rokotnitz) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41591#msg-41591 Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:30:49 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41586#msg-41586 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Andrew)
]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41586#msg-41586 Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:09:17 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41584#msg-41584 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Thys)
I'm a Dutch student in Journalism, and next month I will be coming to London to do a report on the whole skyscraper-discussion that has been going on in London for the last few years.
But now I read a post that ES Magazine thinks that most of the plans are far from certain. Then someone replies that ES Magazine is biased, and shouldn't be taken seriously :).

That's basically why I'm going to London. To get a clear picture of where all the plans stand now, what is holding them back, and if things should probably be kept that way.

While I'm in London, I'd like to meet up with people that are affected by the new buildings. Like the people that work in the Southwark Towers.

But right now I'm looking for some clear information on the subject. I spent many hours reading articles and browsing the web, but all the information seems scattered and dates. Has anybody got a good tip on what to read, where to go? I'd appreciate it very much.

(I'll be checking this forum regularly, because I like the discussion. But if for some reason someone prefers emailing me: looskuh ./.at../. yahoo ./. dot ./. com.)]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41584#msg-41584 Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:27:30 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41555#msg-41555 forum@london-se1.co.uk (mickysalt)
Any way

The Minerva tower had the flat toped rectangular profile that was no better then you bog standart 70s office block.and was to close to the Tower of london.

Another bad development and losing proposition that ken Livingston placed himself on the wrong side of.
]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41555#msg-41555 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:11:38 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41552#msg-41552 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Tolstoy) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41552#msg-41552 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:20:12 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41551#msg-41551 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Tolstoy) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41551#msg-41551 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:17:47 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41550#msg-41550 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41550#msg-41550 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:02:23 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41541#msg-41541 forum@london-se1.co.uk (JonR) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41541#msg-41541 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:38:45 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41539#msg-41539 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jackie rokotnitz) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41539#msg-41539 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:33:44 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41523#msg-41523 forum@london-se1.co.uk (mickysalt)
I dont get drawn in to diametricaly apposed black and white blinked fundamentalist arguments.

Every thing should be judged by its own merit.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41523#msg-41523 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 06:23:13 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41505#msg-41505 forum@london-se1.co.uk (wjfox2004) -------------------------------------------------------
> I was looking at that ,
>
> strange how its the building with the least amount
> of publisity [sic] thats geting built.
>
> and if the shard is unlikely then .then [sic] the
> beethem [sic] tower must be unlikly [sic] also.
>
> Im glad the minerva tower has been skraped [sic].
>
> they should scrap the Heron tower to.
>

Let me guess - you'd rather London was a museum city with a boring lowrise skyline that never changes?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41505#msg-41505 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:54:00 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41504#msg-41504 forum@london-se1.co.uk (wjfox2004) -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Shard and Bishopesgate Tower - unlikely
> Minerva Building - cancelled
> Heron Tower and Leadenhall St - possible
>
> Mind you the whole article seems to be
> speculative.

Minerva has NOT been scrapped!

And why is the Bishopsgate Tower unlikey?

As for Heron and Leadenhall, they are a virtual certainty -- Heron is even getting a 70ft height increase. Leadenhall is fully approved, and is being built by British Land who have an exceptionally good track record on delivering big projects.

Frankly, I wouldn't bother listening to anything the ES has to say when it comes to skyscrapers - they are extremely anti-highrise, biased and ill-informed.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41504#msg-41504 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:50:13 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41503#msg-41503 forum@london-se1.co.uk (mickysalt)
strange how its the building with the least amount of publisity thats geting built.

and if the shard is unlikely then .then the beethem tower must be unlikly also.

Im glad the minerva tower has been skraped.

they should scrap the Heron tower to.
]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41503#msg-41503 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:39:23 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41480#msg-41480 forum@london-se1.co.uk (phoney) They suggest the Shard is unlikely to be built unless at least 40-50 per cent is pre-let.
At the moment Sellar Property group has 'an arrangement' letting 20 floors to the Shangre-La hotel chain.
But as the Shard is to be built in SE1 makes it less desirable!! If it does go ahead it should be
completed in 2009 and will have sea views from the top floors - depending on your
eyesight or telescope.
Lets hope it is built, and soon.
51 Lime St -- under construction
Shard and Bishopesgate Tower - unlikely
Minerva Building - cancelled
Heron Tower and Leadenhall St - possible

Mind you the whole article seems to be speculative.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/41480#msg-41480 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:46:13 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/40556#msg-40556 forum@london-se1.co.uk (MidlandsMatt)
I guess it looks further away in the picture - like it's on the north bank near the Tower or something. I couldn't place it. It looks like it was added to the picture after the others, a bit "transparent" looking.

Thanks.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/40556#msg-40556 Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:11:10 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/40513#msg-40513 forum@london-se1.co.uk (mickysalt)
That first picture is the best visualization I've seen.so far its helped by the golden jubilee bridge Lets hope they really do look like that.

They actually make the skyline look more spacious, and less cluttered than it does now.from that angle .

I'v seen visualizations from other angles where the towers just look like a conglomeration.

Im more consigned about what happens at street lavel if we get all these towers

It makes retaining the historic character at streets level more important not less.


also I have mixed feeling about tall buildings

I don't like the Heron Tower at all ,or the Minerva tower.
And Im not sure the chees grater will be that pionted from other angles

Protecting famous views
And the fact that large parts of London will stay lowrize is important.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/39395/40513#msg-40513 Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:57:56 +0100