http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:14:49 +0000 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:14:49 +0000 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48477#msg-48477 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Niall Connolly)
The problem with people who are 'driven' is that they tend to dislike anyone who doesn't agree with them. That particular statement fed a pretty widespread prejudice and one that is, more often than not, without foundation. I prefer to focus on the quality of the pointing because that is beyond debate.

Regards

Niall]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48477#msg-48477 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:14:49 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48474#msg-48474 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Paul)
I liked the stencil on the exterior hoarding while works were in progress, after thanking various bodies it thanked, "Southwark Council for blind bureaucratic obstruction".]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48474#msg-48474 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:29:19 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48455#msg-48455 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Niall Connolly)
Maybe there should be 'Razzies' for buildings on Bermondsey St, maybe a respberry plaque rather than a blue one.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48455#msg-48455 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:46:45 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48406#msg-48406 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ITF) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48406#msg-48406 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:52:49 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48405#msg-48405 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ITF)
I was not advocating opposition rather than proposition, I was just saying it has its place, and is critical to the survival of the character of the conservation area, where the developers are not bothered. I know schemes where blinkered developers have had to adapt and improve the design, through weight of opposition. left to their own devices the results are often appaling. (Think of the newish brick one on corner of the park with white windows, or the monster above the bermondsey kitchen)

I think a lot of the schemes you mentioned fail on the detail (cardboard one, green monster, etc), where the scheme has been cheapened and the original architect dumped. More strict planning conditions on materials requring details is the only answer.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48405#msg-48405 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:26:52 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48404#msg-48404 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Niall Connolly)
I'm sorry but I can't agree that opposition has been more effective than proposition. If that were the case then the essential character of the Bermondsey Street Conservation Area, the reason for its designation (the medieaval plot-layout behind the street elevations) would still be visible and accessible. Sadly, that isn't the case and the medieaval plot layout has all but been erased.

On top of which, in the face of all the 'opposition' from well-meaning local interests, we can still look with wonder upon the joy that is the 'Dwarf House' (8 Tyers Gate), the wonderfully awful Cardboard Castle (159 Bermondsey St), the white and green confection that was dumped on top of the Gifco building (170 Bermondsey St) the sub-gothic upper reaches of the Bermondsey Exchange and, last but definitely not least, the rather sad faux warehouse at 105 Bermondsey St.

No, opposition has definitely done nothing for the Bermondsey Street Conservation Area, RIP.

Regards

Niall]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48404#msg-48404 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:09:19 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48371#msg-48371 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ITF) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48371#msg-48371 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:17:49 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48370#msg-48370 forum@london-se1.co.uk (ITF) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/48370#msg-48370 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:10:32 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46472#msg-46472 forum@london-se1.co.uk (maurits) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46472#msg-46472 Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:17:40 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46468#msg-46468 forum@london-se1.co.uk (The Unladylike Ms. Jo) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46468#msg-46468 Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:36:09 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46462#msg-46462 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Niall Connolly)
What makes this project interesting is that its an example of 'proposition rather than opposition'.

Rob and Amanda faced a situation where a 4 storey building was going to be built along the back of their houses. Rather than get into a fight they took an altogether more creative route and put together their own planning application for the site, something that, at the time, they didn't think they could do.

Their scheme was more sensitive to the site and eventually gained the support of the planning authority. One thing led to another and now they find themselves building their vision in such a way that the site is developed without choking the light off from their home on Bermondsey St.

Maybe the same sort of thing could happen with Potter's Field. My £100 is still available.

Regards

Niall]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46462#msg-46462 Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:57:12 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46451#msg-46451 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Paul) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46451#msg-46451 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:26:43 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46441#msg-46441 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ed) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46441#msg-46441 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:28:26 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46438#msg-46438 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts)
Apparently it's a planning condition that the timber be stained black.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46438#msg-46438 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:33:55 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46436#msg-46436 forum@london-se1.co.uk (janefs) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46436#msg-46436 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:05:22 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46434#msg-46434 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46434#msg-46434 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:45:12 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46433#msg-46433 forum@london-se1.co.uk (deek)
I've been riveted. I have spoken with some of the builders and the building itself has been shipped from Slovenia. The build crew are from the manufacturer. I've seen the units being installed and it is fabricated from some seriously thick wood. Although I myself wouldn't like that much wood, the design is interesting.

I'm told that when finished it will consist of 2 residences. An interesting use of what would otherwise be dead space.

I do wonder, though, how long it will be until a lorry drives through the lane and damages it, or the local kids hit the place with grafitti.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/46433/46433#msg-46433 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:41:07 +0000