http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:10:16 +0100 Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:10:16 +0100 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/141983#msg-141983 forum@london-se1.co.uk (dee dee) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/141983#msg-141983 Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:10:16 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/141966#msg-141966 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Tom Pepper)
Karaoke? God No!
I would not dream of correcting you Jan, but if pressed I would say that The Barnaby closed earlier than 2004.
In the early to mid eighties it was run by Georgie Cottle and his wife Maureen, George was an ex boxer who also had The Red Cow in Grange Walk.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/141966#msg-141966 Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:38:18 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/141918#msg-141918 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jan the old one) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/141918#msg-141918 Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:35:14 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/141894#msg-141894 forum@london-se1.co.uk (trevor ray)
Regards

Trevor]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/141894#msg-141894 Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:29:48 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/118044#msg-118044 forum@london-se1.co.uk (JonR) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/118044#msg-118044 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:33:20 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/117977#msg-117977 forum@london-se1.co.uk (real-se1) The quality of tenants in pubs has gone down and they really do let anyone run a pub now.
I used to drink in the Beehive years ago and it was a very nice pub.
The council should stop allowing planning permission to turn them into flats or places of worship.
People are too bothered decorating there over priced flats rather than having a quality social life. In the 70's I was out most nights and the pubs were great. There has been a steady decline for 25 years and it will only get worse.
You will find yourself walking 35 minutes to fins a good pub soon.
I personally like the St James Tavern at the moment or the Foresters.
Real SE1]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/117977#msg-117977 Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:03:11 +0000 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/117931#msg-117931 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Pops)
Where is the Rising Sun?

Why wouldnt you go to the Black Horse? Been there a few times and its been fine.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/117931#msg-117931 Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:24:11 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/117929#msg-117929 forum@london-se1.co.uk (blossom14)
Sundays are like they used to be years ago-they have live band with compere and guest singers in the afternoon. Seafood, roast spuds and nibbles are on the bar. they are really turning this pub into a traditional lovely family run pub.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/117929#msg-117929 Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:58:48 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109196#msg-109196 forum@london-se1.co.uk (dee dee)
The Roebuck always seems so souless to me

i would not go in the Rising Sun nor the Black Horse either!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109196#msg-109196 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:35:28 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109153#msg-109153 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ivanhoe) and another big No to the pub down Bath Terrace. When I moved in round here (a dozen or so yrs ago), I went to each of those pubs. And felt welcome in none of them, apart from the Oak (or the Roebuck, but only really if we went in with a friend who was known to the regulars).

The Roebuck has changed a lot over the last 10 yrs. I remember a bar conversation on my first visit there about the best way to "really hurt someone". It was a lively debate which took a fair bit of time, iirc, as everyone had their own feelings on the matter of technique and tools to be used. Today's Roebuck is entirely different. Whatever you think of the place, it now presents a friendly face to new customers.

The William made a sustained effort over a couple of years to become a more welcoming place. It nearly worked.

The other pubs you mention make no effort to look like anything other than the pub out of Shameless.

I like pubs. I sometimes like them too much. But I couldn't imagine me ever going in any of those places.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109153#msg-109153 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:08:29 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109144#msg-109144 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jpm)
[quote=kitreno]Most of the pubs around here, like the Hand in Hand are true locals, which I'm frankly a bit scared to go in.[/quote]

The problem is a fair bit with the people running the pubs. As our area changes, particularly the estates, then if you don't attract new people as well then they're going to be stuffed eventually.

I spotted a chalked sign outside The Rising Sun on Harper Road the other day which had a 'use it or lose it' sign outside.

As is clear from the threads people moving in to the area like 'character' but also like to feel safe and comfortable when they go for a drink.

Interestingly, one of my neighbours who has lived on my estate for absolute donkeys and is very much a part of the local community has said there's only two pubs she'd go in - The Roebuck and The Royal Oak. So that's No to The Rising Sun , No to The William , No to The Beehive , No to The Black Horse ......

and the problem is that when they go they become problems as squats/ havens for antisocial behaviour - speak to the neighbours of The Hand in Hand. They just wish the place would be redeveloped so that the problems stop.

all sad, but true]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109144#msg-109144 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:39:25 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109143#msg-109143 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Debrajoan)
Almost Dee Dee, that was the Canterbury Arms, personally I only remember the Barnaby as the Barnaby.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109143#msg-109143 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:05:52 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109142#msg-109142 forum@london-se1.co.uk (dee dee) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109142#msg-109142 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:00:14 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109093#msg-109093 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Tom Pepper)
Thanks very much BSB]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109093#msg-109093 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:46:45 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109092#msg-109092 forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts) http://tinyurl.com/handinhand-meadowrow]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109092#msg-109092 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:53:50 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109091#msg-109091 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Boss St Bloke) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109091#msg-109091 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:46:10 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109071#msg-109071 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Tom Pepper) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109071#msg-109071 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:13:28 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109069#msg-109069 forum@london-se1.co.uk (hmeah)
shame.... its a lovely building...]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/109069#msg-109069 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:29:22 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57820#msg-57820 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Lang Rabbie) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57820#msg-57820 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:49:31 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57819#msg-57819 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Jonathan K) The Elephant sorely needs it's original buildings otherwise it's in danger of becoming another bland MORE London style development.

Kit[/quote]

More London is a fine development; clean, well-lit, patrolled by security guards, good landscaping, plenty of trees and greenery, lots of public space with loads of free cultural events... if that's 'bland' let's have more of it.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57819#msg-57819 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:46:30 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57811#msg-57811 forum@london-se1.co.uk (kitreno)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kitreno/227057930/in/set-1799336/

I'm really sad about this, initially the work looked like restoration until the weekend digger action. It's reminiscent of the diggers moving in on the Goldfinger Odeon cinema over a weekend just as an article appeared in the Sunday papers appealing for it to be listed.

Checking the councils planning register, this has been on the cards for a while. The planning dept turned down an application to convert it to an artists studio and two flats above around 2001.

There's since be an application around 2005, which was passed to demolish and build a block of 10 flats. There looks like there was a clause on noise measurement either during the demolition, or for the poor residents who will be meters away from the Thames link. We didn't receive any notice of this in Metro Central, although have just received notification of clearence of another site of old pub in the South Bank University campus.

Jackie no idea if it's St George, but unlikely, the application was made in the name of an architects firm.

It would have been nice to see the Duke of Wellington restored back to a pub, it's the twin of the Duke of York just up Southwark Bridge Road which does well from the Mori office etc near by but is closed at weekends.

Most of the pubs around here, like the Hand in Hand are true locals, which I'm frankly a bit scared to go in. The King William? on the other side of the Rockingham has made an attempt to be a bit more accessible, leafleting around Trinity Church Sq when they first converted etc, but doesn't look like it's been too successful, they're now missing most of the letters in their name. Perhaps regeneration when it finally arrives would have giving the site a boast and made it viable again, a site this close to the railway is surely better as a pub than flats.

The Elephant sorely needs it's original buildings otherwise it's in danger of becoming another bland MORE London style development. Although I know it's easy to say this, and running a pub at this site wasn't...
Shouldn't we keep the buildings that work and replace / convert those that don't, after all you can't be expected to get everthing right the first time. Having said this I guess at this moment of time the Duke of York didn't...

Kit]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57811#msg-57811 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:12:26 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57673#msg-57673 forum@london-se1.co.uk (hmeah) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57673#msg-57673 Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:14:52 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57588#msg-57588 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zappomatic) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57588#msg-57588 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:03:44 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57504#msg-57504 forum@london-se1.co.uk (dee dee) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57504#msg-57504 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:05:28 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57494#msg-57494 forum@london-se1.co.uk (douglas) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57494#msg-57494 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:25:34 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57493#msg-57493 forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zappomatic) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57493#msg-57493 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:42:55 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57488#msg-57488 forum@london-se1.co.uk (jackie rokotnitz) SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57488#msg-57488 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:43:05 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57486#msg-57486 forum@london-se1.co.uk (harry yanos) The pub on Rockingham Street off Newington Causeway, just n of the Elephant, is no more. Rather spectacularly flattend. I don't know what it was called, never went there and it had been closed for some time. But still, what is the correct ratio of new flats/old pubs?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/57486/57486#msg-57486 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:10:52 +0100