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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
      <link>http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/75931/80032#msg-80032</link>
      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (Nick Harding)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[And the ice creams served at Nelsons in the summer are pure genius.  Generous double cones with cherry and chocolate... mmmmm...]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
      <link>http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/75931/80004#msg-80004</link>
      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (Renie)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[anyone know what time the Monmouth coffee cafe opens on a Saturday morning?<br />
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Renie]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
      <link>http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/75931/79460#msg-79460</link>
      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ivanhoe)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You can't polish a <br />
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      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
      <link>http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/75931/79458#msg-79458</link>
      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (longlaner)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I completely agree with these sentiments. It may also encourage one or two of the crummier-looking businesses along that stretch of road to smarten up a little.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
      <link>http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/75931/79455#msg-79455</link>
      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (phoenix)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Jackie, There is a public face, I agree. When I walk by I take in the groups and people through those large windows. It humanises the street, whatever one thinks of Starbucks.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (jackie rokotnitz)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I must agree, last night I passed by Starbucks on the bus, and thought &quot;How nice, I dont remember that bit of the road  being so smart and cosy&quot;.  Like others here I hold no brief for Starbucks (rather the reverse, over priced, over hyped) but I do think that the branch in BHS has added tone. It's kind of given a face to a faceless stretch of road.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (phoenix)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Nelson's is a really great place for brekkie and hearty lunches. The guys behind the counter are v friendly and  a couple have been there for years - ever since I moved here 6 years ago.<br />
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But, funny thing is; I have not gone there for a year or so. Habit I guess. I must alternate with Terry's and El Vergel. All in all, BHS and environs are great for food/drink, and I agree with PP that Starbucks does add more to the street than the defunct phone shop, which even when it was open consigned that portion of the street to retail no-go status.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (boroughpaul)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[the sandwiches at nelson's are benissimo!!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (mert0380)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[That's a fair comment, and (as must be obvious) I have nothing against Starbucks, yet I don't appreciate why it takes a Starbucks to create that warming glow.  <br />
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Why is it that the likes of Cafe Riva and Nelson's never seem to spot such obvious commercial opportunities?  With a slight refit and longer opening hours, one of them could have had a go at it.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (mogoot)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I welcome Starbucks to Borough High Street. I don't drink their 'coffee', I dislike their other heavily-sugared drinks, and I don't like the mindless commercialism they stand for. But they provide a warming glow to a stretch of the High Street that wasn't there before. I'd rather see people enjoying other people's company than walk past a cold empty phone shop.<br />
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As for coffee quality, Monmouth gets my vote every time. A steaming latte from Borough Market on a chilly weekend is as close to perfection you can get, especially when accompanied by a pork pie. Aside from that, Amano is great for coffees.<br />
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While Starbucks adds nothing to the coffee-worthiness of the area, I welcome it because it adds an improvement to a previously dull stretch of street.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (hellsbells)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Nelsons and Riva are always open and both are very good.   I used to work in Borough (six years ago) and used to go to Riva every day.  It was friendly and the coffee was good.  Nelsons is a lovely place and when I moved from London Bridge to E&amp;C I went there for lunch and dinner about three times (I had no stuff in my new flat at the time).  These places will, of course, survive as they do better priced proper meals and good coffee / tea, rather than the plastic, flavourless, overpriced coffee/tea and cakes purveyed by S*******s and Costa and the like.  And have you seen their sweaty, revolting-looking sandwiches? Groo!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
      <link>http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/75931/79270#msg-79270</link>
      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (Keith McIntosh)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The coffee connosieurs I know all rave about McDonalds filter coffee.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (mert0380)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Yes, it's irritating the way they put those A-boards out on the pavement, but then the Gladstone does as well, and it's a decent institution.  <br />
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I would go to Cafe Riva, or Nelson's, but the truth is that because I don't work in the area I do not think I have once, in the year I've lived in Borough, seen either of them open (unless I'm just being really thick and think it looks like it's closed on Saturday when it's not?).  <br />
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Although I prefer the owner-operator model, as the rents go up in Borough High Street (which clearly they are), a place like Cafe Riva simply cannot survive unless it becomes more competitive.  Monmouth's is a brilliant coffee shop, and seems to have managed to get the balance right.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (easyrecall)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I've just had coffee and brekkie in Cafe Riva, which is practically opposite starbucks. Very nice (i can't really comment on the quality of the coffee as i'm NOT coinesseur, but it seemed good to me). good value, a local, well established business, nice staff, bigger than it looks from the outside.<br />
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As long as Starbucks keeps arrogantly deciding their advertising takes precedence over my right to walk down that side of the street without avoiding their giant litter (A board), I'll use and recommend to everyone Cafe Riva and nelsons just over the road and to the right. <br />
<br />
how can a business move into an area, ride roughshod and expect anything other than hostility???? I really hope Starbucks people from BHS are reading this. I've complained to the council but also tohead office (Starbucks is not a franchise operation as I had assumed).]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (mert0380)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I appreciate everything that's been said about Starbucks having a record in places with a poor coffee tradition, and I readily acknowledge that Monmouth makes fantastic coffee, but Monmouth is extraordinarily rare in making filter coffee (my preferred tipple).  Outside the Borough Market area, there aren't that many filter coffee options.  I wouldn't agree that Starbucks [i]filter coffee[/i] is weak (it's actually a bit too acrid for my taste).  It's decent.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (boroughpaul)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[nero is ok...the best of the chains admittedly and not in starbucks league of ghastliness.  lets face it starbucks exists for people who dont like coffee, they do everything they can to disguise the taste from the sick syrupy flavourings to their washed out make-it-large milkshake sized &quot;cappucinos&quot;. the one in borough hig street will do well enough though as most will consume any old tosh so long as its cheap and easy to get hold of. my advice take a walk to monmouth in stoney street or buy an espresso machine]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:46:13 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Starbucks in Borough</title>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (easyrecall)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[they move in<br />
refurb<br />
open up<br />
then go straight out into the public pavement that you and I pay for and stick an A board slap bang in the middle of it<br />
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you can complain to Southwark Council via email about this branch's arrogance here (tho they do send you round the houses a bit sometime)<br />
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http://www.southwark.gov.uk/YourServices/transport/StreetsAndRoads/Obstructions.html]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:02:07 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (J- Ann)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Just thought I would mention that Tas Cafe on Borough High Street does really nice coffee.  I like the coffee at Costa and Nero but loathe Starbucks's coffee, if that's useful to anyone to gauge Tas by!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:14:38 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ruth Elleson)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I was going to say that myself, but you got there first ;-)  In fact, I think Monmouth is closer than either of the Neros.<br />
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None of the above are actually en route from the bus stop to my office, however.  (Cafe Arlington is).]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:34:05 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (turtmcfly)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Logic woman, logic. Why don't you just go to Monmouths? Even with James' revelation it's as near as damn it the same distance from your nearest Nero, and you obviously(?) think the latter is OK, but not as good. Or to put it another way, before his revelation why would you think it a shame that there was an inferior coffee emporium 900m away when there was a superior one just 200m from your office?<br />
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Yes, I know. I'm missing something. I'm aware that that something is a life.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:56:59 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ruth Elleson)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Oooh, didn't even know that one was there - thanks James!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:41:30 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (James Hatts)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Ruth Elleson]Shame there isn't one nearer (to my Southwark Bridge Road office) than the one at More London.[/quote]<br />
I would have thought that the new Caffe Nero at St Mary Overie Dock would be closer than More London:<br />
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/restaurants/map/643/caffe-nero]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:29:52 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (Ruth Elleson)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I agree.  Nero's no Monmouth but IMHO it's vastly superior to any of the other chains.  Shame there isn't one nearer (to my Southwark Bridge Road office) than the one at More London.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:25:29 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (longlaner)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I favour Nero, too. I like the strong coffee, the fact that a small cup really is small, and the loyalty card.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:18:23 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (PKM)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I think cafe nero does pretty good coffee - you get two shots of esspresso in the americano. Having returned from the US recently I reckon we do quite well on coffee - it was impossible to get anything other than that neverending cup of thin stuff over there.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:11:04 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (wysiwyg)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[well, i will give monmouth a try.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:55:12 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (boroughpaul)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[the problem with all of them...costa, starbucks, nero is that they are selling coffee to people who dont like or understand it anyway. the coffee in most of britain is appalling and these chains just look good in comparison with what other rubbish is around. the only places where starbucks succeed are countries with poor coffee traditions. you dont get crowds packing starbucks in rome or milan do you? forget starbucks and go to monmouth, the best coffee in se1]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:54:22 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (Zappomatic)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[According to http://www.igd.com/CIR.asp?menuid=67&amp;cirid=2042 as of last year Starbucks had a higher market share than Costa. Caffe Nero only had an 8% share as it's not that common outside London.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:52:15 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (wysiwyg)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[because the staff and coffee are better at costa (never tried nero)]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:43:45 +0100</pubDate>
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      <author>forum@london-se1.co.uk (BJFAN)</author>
      <description><![CDATA[WHat the hell is wrong with Starbucks. It actually isnt doing that well in the UK, Costa and Caffe Nero are doing better, why not complain about them.]]></description>
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