http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/list/1 EN Tue, 20 May 2008 13:31:44 +0100 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:31:44 +0100 SE1 Discussion Phorum 5.1.6 600 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88672#msg-88672 Neil <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
Well obviously PR gave them their first seats in Parliament at that point in their history but it is debateable that those initial minor electoral breakthroughs were responsible or necessary for the major progress made in the lead-up to and after 1930. I would disagree though obviously neither of us can prove our point on this. It is certainly the case though that, once established as a major player, first-past-the-post would have strengthened their position.

[quote The Mapmaker]
So if we kick all the immigrants out then the BNP will no longer have a reason to exist. Excellent![/quote]

As an immigrant myself this wouldnt be my favoured course of action. It isn't the only alternative to tackling extremism either.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88672#msg-88672 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:31:44 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88670#msg-88670 The Mapmaker <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
>I think the best policy is to tackle the issues head-on

So if we kick all the immigrants out then the BNP will no longer have a reason to exist. Excellent!]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88670#msg-88670 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:16:14 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88667#msg-88667 Neil <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
PR helped prevent the Nazis from ever having the majority in Parliament that the first-past-the-post system would have given them in elections in the early '30s (even though they never polled close to 50%). Of course even as a minority party they still usurped total power anyway but the point still stands.

With extremism of any kind I think the best policy is to tackle the issues / hatred head-on rather than ignoring it or relying on the voting system to keep them out.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88667#msg-88667 Tue, 20 May 2008 12:55:50 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88666#msg-88666 The Mapmaker <forum@london-se1.co.uk> >>that tarnished Bermondsey's name for so long was no
>>more, this is really quite depressing.

Agreed. Unfortunately that is the obvious side-effect of proportional representation. Loony parties only require a few votes here and there in order to become a part of the political process. That way lies madness and extremism - the National Socialists would never have got in without PR.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88666#msg-88666 Tue, 20 May 2008 12:30:13 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88589#msg-88589 Lang Rabbie <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
Unfortunately, the one thing that had already drawn the ward to my attention was the depressingly high vote for the BNP (over 10%). After years of hoping that the politics of hatred that tarnished Bermondsey's name for so long was no more, this is really quite depressing.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88589#msg-88589 Sun, 18 May 2008 20:08:59 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88376#msg-88376 James Hatts <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
Caroline Pidgeon 'won' Cathedrals, Grange, Riverside and South Bermondsey wards.
Val Shawcross 'won' Bishop's and Chaucer wards

Shawcross pushed into third place by the Tories in Riverside.

For the London-wide list:
* Labour received the highest number of votes in Bishop's, Chaucer, Grange and South Bermondsey
* The Lib Dems received highest number of votes in Cathedrals
* The Conservatives received the highest number of votes in Riverside

Overall the results will please the Tories in Riverside ward after their poor showing in last year's by-election, and will please Labour in Chaucer where it was a very, very close result at the last borough elections in 2006.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/88376#msg-88376 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:21:28 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87957#msg-87957 kellandj <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87957#msg-87957 Mon, 05 May 2008 14:07:21 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87881#msg-87881 James Hatts <forum@london-se1.co.uk> http://results.londonelects.org.uk/Results/AssemblyResultConstituency.aspx?id=10]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87881#msg-87881 Sat, 03 May 2008 00:57:43 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87852#msg-87852 James Hatts <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87852#msg-87852 Fri, 02 May 2008 17:21:37 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87611#msg-87611 James Hatts <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87611#msg-87611 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:35:53 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87610#msg-87610 The Mapmaker <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
Does she really speak Zulu?]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87610#msg-87610 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:29:46 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87603#msg-87603 James Hatts <forum@london-se1.co.uk> http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3276]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87603#msg-87603 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:15:00 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87580#msg-87580 Lang Rabbie <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
[quote James Hatts]Interview with Val Shawcross:
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3273[/quote]

Does Val Shawcross really not recognise how poorly some parts of Ken's empire work? This suggests the sort of complacency in an incumbent that means it is time for a change.

In particular, I'm worried by Val's apparent inability to recognise that disagreements between the London Boroughs and the GLA and its subsidiaries are a natural and health part of the democratic life of the capital and not all down to political machination by her electoral opponents.

Doesn't she have an important role in making sure the borough's concerns are taken seriously in County Hall and brokering deals ???

e.g.1 [quote=Val Shawcross]"There isn't a problem about the [Elephant & Castle] road scheme. It's certainly clear that the Mayor wants to bring the tram to the project.

....

"The problem is that the project as a whole is just not taking off at the moment. The road scheme has been redesigned, but would you start implementing it until the core regeneration is under way? Otherwise you just rejig the roads and nothing happens."[/quote]
I've been a persistent critic of the Southwark's regeneration team's lack of progress at the Elephant, but does Val really believe (i) that the lack of a decision on whether the tram will come through the site isn't a major factor in the lack of progress; and (ii) that getting rid of the underpasses is a quick win that could transform perceptions of the area and help get the wider development proposals back on track?

e.g.2 The [quote=Val Shawcross]only barrier to taking Cross River Tram up to King's Cross through Holborn is actually Camden Council which is Liberal Democrat. I hope they'll sort it out.[/quote]
Camden didn't raise concerns about the Cross River Tram because it was a Lib Dem led borough, it was because the utterly useless Transport for London failed to provide the borough with any analysis of the impact of diverted traffic on other streets.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87580#msg-87580 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:57:16 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87550#msg-87550 James Hatts <forum@london-se1.co.uk> http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3273]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87550#msg-87550 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:06:39 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87534#msg-87534 James Hatts <forum@london-se1.co.uk> http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3272

Val Shawcross and Shirley Houghton to follow.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87534#msg-87534 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:41:40 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87270#msg-87270 James Hatts <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
We will be running interviews with the main Assembly candidates on this site with the first hopefully published later today.]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87270#msg-87270 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:57:22 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87269#msg-87269 McQueen <forum@london-se1.co.uk>
Who are these people? What do they stand for? What are they going to do for my/our borough. Just over a week to go and so far I've received precisely NO communication from any of them, not even a leaflet in my letter box. Last time, the only party/candidate which bothered to send me anything was the BNP.

Has anyone else received anything from anyone? Has anyone clapped eyes on a candidate? How can they seriously expect anyone to turn out and vote for them??]]> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/87269#msg-87269 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:46:15 +0100 http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/86965#msg-86965 James Hatts <forum@london-se1.co.uk> SE1 Discussion http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/86965/86965#msg-86965 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:29:59 +0100