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Sunday 31 January 2010 4.22pm
This is coming to planning committee on Tuesday night - with a recommendation from officers that permission is refused:

http://moderngov.southwarksites.com/Published/C00000119/M00002897/AI00007536/$Item1report.rtfA.ps.pdf

Boris will also consider the application during the day on Tuesday.

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Wednesday 3 February 2010 10.48am
It's interesting to note that according to this website, the Southwark Council planning committee unanimously refused the application.

Taking a close look at the applicant, one really has to question the applicant's ability to be able to fund such a project in the first place.

If that is the case, what was the intention behind submitting the proposal. The biggest clue is to look at what the applicant has done elsewhere with a student housing proposal in Central London. In that example, they put the site up for sale once the plans were approved.

One doesn't have to stretch the imagination to think the same would have occurred with 200 Great Dover Street.

So it's reasonable to assume the 200 Great Dover Street application was a speculative proposal aimed primarily at increasing the value of the existing unimproved asset.

This likey means future plans submitted by the applicant for this site will be unsuitable as the scale and purpose of any proposal will be targetted towards generating the maximum pre-development price for the asset. Or the applicant will cut their losses and walk away, and use the funds to reduce their existing levels of debt.

Cheers,
Shifty
Wednesday 3 February 2010 11.12am
More here: http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4330

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Saturday 6 February 2010 12.54am
Increasing the value of the unimproved asset? Helical Bar paid a huge amount of money for the site!
Tuesday 28 September 2010 3.49pm
I understand that the developers have lodged a planning appeal. If you want to object to the development the closing date for representations is October 7th.

You can either object online at www.planningportal.gov.uk/pcs

or in writing (3 copies) to:

The Planning Inspectorate
3/19 Eagle Wing,
Temple Quay House,
2 The Square,
Temple Quay
Bristol
BS1 6PN

quoting reference APP/A5840/A/10/2124836/NWF

so perhaps it wasn't a speculative application after all!
Tuesday 28 September 2010 4.14pm
longlaner wrote:
Increasing the value of the unimproved asset? Helical Bar paid a huge amount of money for the site!
Yes, but it would be worth a lot more with planning (which I think is the point OP is trying to make)
...if you press it, they will come.
Wednesday 29 September 2010 1.33pm
Yes- I see the logic of that. I think I was being over optimistic and just hoping the application would go away!

If anyone wants to object online the crucial number is not as listed above but:

APP/A5840/A/10/2134836/NWF and the number underlined is the one you need to search by on the planningportal website
Tuesday 16 November 2010 11.06am
The planning committee will tonight decide whether or not to drop one of the grounds for refusal:
http://moderngov.southwarksites.com/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=13941

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Tuesday 16 November 2010 11.48am
James Hatts wrote:
The planning committee will tonight decide whether or not to drop one of the grounds for refusal:
http://moderngov.southwarksites.com/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=13941

It actually makes sense. One of the reasons given by the Council for rejecting this project is that the developer had failed to provide a letter of support from an education institution. The Council concluded that the developer had thus failed to demonstrate that there was an actual need for student accommodation.

However, when the exact same argument (no letter of support) was used to try to block two other applications for yet another batch of student accommodation (120-138 Walworth Road, 163 Great Suffolk Street), the Council mysteriously decided that this reason did not apply anymore.

I am personally happy to see the Council hoisted by its own petard. It basically has to "go back in time" to change a previous decision to keep things consistent with its subsequent decisions.

Frankly, the 200 Great Dover Street project is not worse than what is currently being built in other part of Cathedral Ward. It just happens to be more visible, close to a church and submitted just before the elections... Hence, maybe a need for the Council to listen for once to local objections?
Tuesday 16 November 2010 1.44pm
Not sure that analysis is quite right, tabularasa.

It's got more to do with the planning inspector's decision on the Walworth Road scheme which moved the goalposts as to how/whether a developer needs to demonstrate a need for student accommodation.

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