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Tuesday 14 September 2010 1.55pm
A reminder that the exhibition is tonight 6-8 at the leisure centre

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Monday 20 September 2010 9.58am
I've just seen the news story that the proposed plans suggest cutting support for indoor sports in half or completely.

Whilst I think swimming is a great sport for people of all ages, surely it can't be in the interest of the wider public for the needs of just one sport displace all the others available to such a great extent.

If this really is the choice we face, can we justify a pool at all?
Monday 20 September 2010 3.07pm
The existing centre has a (disused) swimming pool and sports halls.

They need to add residential, but that can go on top.

There is no need to face this either/or choice - we can have both if the council can get their act together.

These space arrangements are very early days, they haven't had an architect look at it yet - hopefully an architect can help them make best use of the site.
Monday 20 September 2010 3.27pm
I was just looking at the site again on the map...

I've not been able to see the outline plans yet as I've been away and they won't send me pdfs of the display board, but you have a junction frontage and a long park frontage that are prime development sites - with 360 due to go up on the other side of the part the style of development could follow this - there should be ample room for the district energy facilities, sports and a sizeable residential scheme on this site, perhaps a more active frontage onto the park with cafes and business units...

The site is actually bigger than the doon street development - they could do worse than follow a very similar path here.
Monday 20 September 2010 3.59pm
I'm probably biased as I play football at the leisure centre and cant swim but... I do think the loss of one or both sports halls and possibly the squash courts would be bad news. I would like to think space could be found for everything but I guess finances are tougher now than they were in pre-financial crisis days.
Tuesday 5 October 2010 6.02pm
BUMP - this week is the last week to make your views known.
Tuesday 5 October 2010 11.59pm
jamesup wrote:
...with 360 due to go up on the other side of the park...

I thought the 360 development on the site of the old London Park Hotel had died. Is it now about to be re-born?
Wednesday 6 October 2010 11.48am
Not dead, so far as I know, the planning permission hasn't lapsed yet so FirstBase could still find the money, or sell the site with permission to someone who has it. Permission was granted in September 2008, they have till 2013 (I think) to start building.
Wednesday 6 October 2010 9.35pm
Leisure centre was left out the deal with Lend Lease.
New centre will replace six badminton courts with four, no room for squash courts, site is too small to accommodate like-for-like with housing on the site.
TAK
Thursday 7 October 2010 12.24am
graham wrote:
Leisure centre was left out the deal with Lend Lease.
New centre will replace six badminton courts with four, no room for squash courts, site is too small to accommodate like-for-like with housing on the site.

Well, you see I wonder whether this is really the case.
Maybe more creative thinking is required?

I always wondered why the leisure centre was going to be (somewhat hidden) behind housing located on noisy elephant and castle and would have thought leisure should be in noisy location with housing tucked behind it.
However, apparently it's possible to build higher on main street side due to overshadowing of residential properties at rear.

Also,I was surprised to see the pool itself was not overlooking the church yard but the LCC compound. Maybe there is some really good reason for this but I like the idea to seeing a park when swimming, especially if one happens to be on the adjoing site!
Again, I believe drawing shown was just really indicative and will be developed in due course, or at least I hope it will.

I asked before the meeting if residences could be built on top of leisure, but apparently buildings are best kept separate I was told....
maybe this is so it can be phased and residences built later when residnetial property market is in full swing again?
On the other hand, central YMCA by Tottenham Court Road is a rather large leisure centre, with a casino and 12 story hotel above and a few floors of parking below. So surely stacking up different uses has to be possible.

I guess these are probably just a number of questions to be asked at the next presentation / consultation meeting.....
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