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Saturday 11 June 2011 10.00am
beetroot wrote:
Surely those in the shop premises are in a different position from the stall holders? I mean BM just won't be able to kick them out at a moments notice for daring to criticise massive injustice? I think Rob is good for taking advantage of that and saying things that would result in instant eviction for a stall holder.
Also, Rob is right that there shouldn't be too much hot food. As I said pages ago what brought more shoppers to the market has become the problem in that it only brings diners. The solution could be to have a takeaway area and the rest is proper market. Maybe? Am I missing something (I admit I do... often) when I wonder why in this enormous thread we are not discussing the actual problem? One thing for sure, BM's 'solution' is unjust.

But Rob is not criticising the BM management.If you read his current post and his others on the same subject, he takes a swipe at Neals Yard Dairy and Monmouth Coffee (the two founders of Maltby Street) and expresses regret that traders have been forced to leave, but pointedly does not criticise the management.
He then takes a pop at the sale of hot food at BM, something which many would agree with him on. However, his critisism would be so much more meaningful if he wasn't just about to open an establishment whose raison d'etre is serving hot food. Incidentally, I believe that he sells tea by the cup from his stall. Is that not a take-away product also?
Saturday 11 June 2011 11.04am
Hi here right just for the record I completely respect neals yard and Monmouth rightly randolph was the vision behind it . But now how do we take things forward yes I'm opening elliots Which will run over seven days but we only have 55 seats were not doing the whole take away thing . All our food will be sourced from the market . I'm in favor of elements of hot food showcasing the producers products it's important we have this on Thursday and Friday to have the workers eating and purchasing items for the weekend . But on a week end I have a family and find it difficult to shop surely this is an issue . There are plenty of smaller traders who don't sell hot food and I feel there is need for elliots to use there produce and fill that gap . We are also having a high percentage of sales for take home baked goods and smaller items . With my tea business I'm handing it back to the tea garden in september I have purchased off one single estate for 8 years and now they will come over from Sri lanka to trade on borough Which feel is a success story . I'm happy to talk openly but please do some research on me . And please let's look at solutions it's vey important to talk and build better communication . Decisions can be overturned it's not all lost there are some amazing traders on borough who work really hard to offer there produce . We are on the south bank we are very central but we can make borough a great model and improve and provide great produce , good value , and be fairer . Right I have to get going on getting elliots opened

Saturday 11 June 2011 11.25am
se1groupee wrote:
What is high street? Is casinos ? Is what? Is market no one wants? What is?

se1groupee, I have reported your posts to the moderator. I'm sure they're entertaining you, but actually they're tedious, add nothing useful to this discussion, and are deliberately designed to offend one of the people trying to make a genuinely thoughtful contribution to the debate.
Saturday 11 June 2011 12.10pm
Pieces of Eight wrote:
But Rob is not criticising the BM management.

I accept that he isn't directly, but to say that to lose traders is a massive disadvantage and he hopes they can come back is pretty much a criticism since we all know the management are responsible. However, beating about the bush is a bit at odds with his call to talk openly. And on that point, there's only one person who needs to be told to talk openly and she's still silent.

I'm still curious what ideas people might have to solve the problem of the market not making money because it's become tourist attraction.
Saturday 11 June 2011 12.44pm
good luck rob hope all goes well
Saturday 11 June 2011 3.58pm
If I may point something.

Homa's point is clear. You can disagree with the management but you cannot judge the market as a whole and boycott it because of some choices the management has done.

In the market there are, and there will be, traders that do their job fantastically and they cannot be punished "in toto" because of the eviction of 7 others.

The market is still a buzz of good traders who want to do well. Do you want all to move to Maltby street? Do you think if they moved all to M street it would be a paradise?

NYD and Monmouth have done good but they are in a privileged position compared to other traders... and at a point they have used this privilege.. Ok fair enough.

So now: how to move from here? The experience of Homa and many other traders in the market who want to succeed should be valued.

This morning walking through the market we noticed a new section, very nice with fresh produces and baked ones. Not sure what the name is..

Honestly, I wish to remark this, boycotting does not look a bright attitude because it will only hurt the traders not at all the management.. mind this.

We have reached a point in this thread where there is a positive hero and a negative one, without watching the details (the people who individually depend on the BM, as they honestly trade in it. and they are many!), this looks good for a hollywood movie but in this case is a bit out of frame..

I repeat again that the lay out of the market has improved.
Some section are better organized and there is less hot food.

I believe that traders at BM could be asked to talk to the people. They may have their view.

People like Rob/Homa/Elliots could speak their voice. I strongly think that Elliot's is a great addition to the BM, together with the english wine section. And it is pointless to threaten him not to open another shop, as NYD or Monmouth have already but nobody is questioning this... because they make part of the hero group (by now) who started Maltby street.

So lets engage with the traders at BM, rather than punish them by boycotting the market. We may save the super 7, but we are killing 100 others...

That is what I believe. And that is why I still shop in both markets. Although mostly at BM.

Saturday 11 June 2011 11.08pm
se1lurker wrote:
Does anyone know how the appointment and confirmation of Trustees works? Is there any method to remove Trustees?
From Googling Southwark St Saviour,it's interesting to see the Wikipedia page explaining the charity and the areas boundaries,(Quite challenging to compare their boundaries to a street map on Multimap),at the bottom of the Wiki page there is a link on References 2"Appointment of Trustees to The Borough Market,Southwark",(an interesting 13 page document),although dated March 2004,I would take note of details on page 8 of arrangements for Rates, as there were 935 dwellings to which council tax is payable within the area,at that time for each 1000 of profit Borough Market made, a resident in a Band D property received approximately 1.37 rebate,which based on George Nicholson's figures of 2008 of 500,000,Borough Profit,this would mean the householder receiving a very nice 685 rate rebate,since under the current management no profits have been declared since 2008,surely there is a valid justification to complain to the Council as to what is happening with the Borough Trustees.Knowing the Council they would do something, if as a group 935 people started to complain,it's a matter of making those people aware of their money their potentially losing because of the current management of the Market,perhaps James and the SE1 forum could help there.
Also at the same time demands should be made to the Council and Charities Commission for a return to people resident in the area only to be trustees.
Monday 13 June 2011 7.18am
Remarkable. And deplorable.

As a visitor to SE1 -- I live out in the wilds of SE22, accessible only if you have in your knapsack a hatchet, a sextant, and a guide to edible roots and berries -- I had not understood why some of my favourite stalls at Borough Market recently went missing all of a sudden.

Maltby Street for the coming weekend's shop, then; and good luck to the traders there.
Monday 13 June 2011 9.07am
Cannot understand what is going on at Borough, as for other markets i got told by a friend that Portobello has a new Farmers And Fine Food Market opening on Saterday the 18 June ,i had a look at there website looks good .Im so tired of hearing about the problems at Borough im going to give it a try. The website is Portobellos Premier farmers and fine food market if any ones interested. I always thought the art of Management is to Manage this seems not to be the Credo at Borough
Monday 13 June 2011 9.28am
Portobello? Is that part of SE1 as well these days?
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