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Wednesday 18 April 2012 9.58am
Jules62 wrote:
...I would go one step further and have these legalized extortionists outlawed altogether.
They pray on the poor and vulnerable who are desperate to make ends meet, and tie them into an escalating spiral of debt...

What else are you going to save us poor feeble helpless souls from?

Has it ever struck you that some would find this an extremely patronising approach.

What other legal businesses are you going to campaign to drive out of the borough, just because you don't like those businesses?

Is it OK to have a casino on Park Lane, but not a bookies on TBR?

...if you press it, they will come.
Wednesday 18 April 2012 11.24am
Very interesting, James.

This passage caught my eye: "However such moral issues are not material planning considerations. Planning applications can never be decided on whether someone is a nice or not nice person or someone is running a nice or not nice business. Imagine the humiliation if you applied for an extension and your parish neighbours told you you didnít deserve one because you went to the pub too often. There have certainly been parish council meetings where that has been the tone. A free society has to avoid planning decision meetings becoming moralistic Jacobin committees for the public morals."

...if you press it, they will come.
Wednesday 18 April 2012 12.47pm
Shame the council didnt show The Money Shop some leniency given their awesome adverts.
Wednesday 18 April 2012 1.17pm
Excellent news for the community
Wednesday 18 April 2012 1.31pm
lucysalisbury wrote:
Excellent news for the community
Yes. Another empty shopfront. How wonderful.

...if you press it, they will come.
Wednesday 18 April 2012 2.09pm
boroughonian wrote:
Betting shops and loansharks are two completely different debates,to lump them together,I think,is worrying and shows where people are really coming from on this,was this ever really a moral issue?
Do us a favour,leave Manzes alone eh.

I wasn't referring to betting shops, but to fruit machine arcades, but was doing so only as an aside (since one would have replaced the other on the same premises): I had no intention of lumping together the two.

Ivanhoe wrote:
What other legal businesses are you going to campaign to drive out of the borough, just because you don't like those businesses?
Is it OK to have a casino on Park Lane, but not a bookies on TBR?

I repeat: I wasn't referring to bookmakers or casinos, but to one-arm bandit arcades.

I wasn't proposing driving these businesses out of the borough: I would like to see them outlawed and banned from the whole Kingdom.
Wednesday 18 April 2012 2.33pm
Jules62 wrote:
I wasn't proposing driving these businesses out of the borough: I would like to see them outlawed and banned from the whole Kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

...if you press it, they will come.
Wednesday 18 April 2012 2.49pm
Ivanhoe can you accept that Park lane has three or four 6stars hotels, a bentley dealer and a casino? Means people with money or wish to squander it will go there..

I guess what the councillors are saying is that if you have a kind of independent shops you should try to help these people to survive rather than kill the area by allowing by money to dispossess them by using the simple power of the cash. I find it very applicable to other areas.. and sensible.

Volatire (which is not wikipedia I know) use to say that Democracy is the power of the majority which sometimes corresponds to the wish of the fools.. I am not sure I agree but it makes me think.
Wednesday 18 April 2012 3.15pm
orione wrote:
Ivanhoe can you accept that Park lane has three or four 6stars hotels, a bentley dealer and a casino? Means people with money or wish to squander it will go there...
So - you're happy for people you perceive as rich to be allowed to gamble, but you think that the people you perceive as poor should be denied access? Interesting. What other things should poor people be denied? What other evils would you "protect" them from?
orione wrote:
I guess what the councillors are saying is that if you have a kind of independent shops you should try to help these people to survive rather than kill the area by allowing by money to dispossess them by using the simple power of the cash. I find it very applicable to other areas.. and sensible..
Despite trying quite hard to understand it, I have no idea what you are saying.

orione wrote:
Volatire (which is not wikipedia I know) use to say that Democracy is the power of the majority which sometimes corresponds to the wish of the fools.. I am not sure I agree but it makes me think.
Ivanhoe (who is not Voltaire) says that what appears to have happened here is that a small number of people who feel very strongly about payday loan companies appear to have found a spurious way to try and bend the planning rules to get their own way and ban a shop trying to conduct legal business and create jobs. Voltaire, I'm sure, would not have found this to be the best of all possible worlds.

...if you press it, they will come.
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