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Friday 18 May 2012 11.30am
nickyd wrote:
some thing needs doing
as a car driver it costs me lots to use the road

Petrol is expensive.
Friday 18 May 2012 11.32am
I look to Holland and Copenhagen, where the infrastructure is there for civilized cycling that's what you get. Borough High Street is a hostile environment for cycling, doesn't surprise me that people start acting like idots.

I've been rather pleased of late to see RL observation on my commute being better - seems to be the weather.
Friday 18 May 2012 11.34am
beetroot wrote:
nickyd wrote:
some thing needs doing
as a car driver it costs me lots to use the road

Petrol is expensive.

add the road tax' insurance and congestion charge i'm laughing 'NOT' LOL


BRING ON PUSH BIKE INSURANCE AN THE ID JACKETS !!
Friday 18 May 2012 11.39am
I stopped cycling because of the hostility directed at me by drivers. I don’t even blame them. It’s not just BHS. That zebra crossing across SBR to Mint street park for example: When the light is green for traffic coming down Marshalsea Road and turning either left or right onto SBR, the light is red for traffic coming down SBR and heading for Southwark Street and also for pedestrians. Many cyclists go through red, which wouldn’t bother me that much, what bothers me though is that they all look to the right towards MR when doing so to see if there is no traffic coming. Fine. The problem is that when the MR road lights turn red the pedestrian crossing turns green. They still come speeding down SBR, looking right to MR and not ahead of them where there are parents taking children to Charles Dickens Primary school. They simply don’t look. It happens often and I have let out the occasional “Oi” to attract their attention, but they still haven’t got a clue what we’re doing there crossing the road when its’ green for us and red for them. There should be far stricter policing and heavy fines for not adhering to the highway code. And if the Highway code doesn’t cover cyclists enough, it should be updated. I suggest they base it on the Swiss, they know how to enforce traffic law.
Friday 18 May 2012 11.43am
Road Tax doesn't exist, you're talking about VED - which is leveraged on CO2 emissions. These nice cars doesn't pay it either, like a bike they emit less that 100g/km CO2. Roads are paid for from general taxation.

Insurance, well, I'm insured, it costs very little, as bikes don't tend to hit things at 60mph with tonnes of force.

Congestion Charge, clues in the name - that's to deal with congestion - a car problem.

Very happy to join anyone condemning RLJing and other anti-social cycling but when you divert off on these points it makes it hard to agree with you.
Friday 18 May 2012 12.00pm
nickyd wrote:
beetroot wrote:
nickyd wrote:
some thing needs doing
as a car driver it costs me lots to use the road

Petrol is expensive.

add the road tax' insurance and congestion charge i'm laughing 'NOT' LOL


BRING ON PUSH BIKE INSURANCE AN THE ID JACKETS !!
Road Tax was abolished in 1937. Vehicle Exisice Duty, paid by car owners, is also paid by bike owners who own cars.
Friday 18 May 2012 12.00pm
Agreed that many BorisBikers are damned near suicidal but Guy's street's point about paying ("nobody else does") is completely wrong...drivers pay road tax, congestion charge and ridiculously high taxes on fuel.Cyclists pay nothing...that being the case some common sense and obedience to the laws of the road isnt much to ask for is it?
Friday 18 May 2012 12.05pm
Why do thick people insist on believing in the existence of road rax?
Friday 18 May 2012 12.10pm
Having lived in various European countries, and having been cycling from when I was about 5, I like to think I know a thing or 2 about cycling. I think too many cyclists lack a sense of responsibility and too much is left to other road users: pedestrians are expected to watch where they are going, cars and busses are expected to give priority… I think cycling in London is not safe enough, not for cyclists and not for other road users. Traffic rules and behaviour appears not to have kept up with the massive increase in cyclists as well as scooters and motorbikes resulting in all this chaos and anger. In Switzerland, cyclists have a little number plate that shows they have paid insurance. If you don’t have that attached to your bike you risk a fine. I wouldn’t go that far, but we seem to be at the other end of the spectrum.
Friday 18 May 2012 12.13pm
jamesup wrote:
Road Tax doesn't exist, you're talking about VED - which is leveraged on CO2 emissions. These nice cars doesn't pay it either, like a bike they emit less that 100g/km CO2. Roads are paid for from general taxation.
Insurance, well, I'm insured, it costs very little, as bikes don't tend to hit things at 60mph with tonnes of force.

Congestion Charge, clues in the name - that's to deal with congestion - a car problem.

Very happy to join anyone condemning RLJing and other anti-social cycling but when you divert off on these points it makes it hard to agree with you.


ok smarty pants i'm just trying to making a point that if it was me that knocked a little girl off her feet as she was on a crossing i would be tracked down 'BY MY NUMBER PLATE' an covered by cost 'insurence'(god forbid may that NEVER happen) an also having to pay the price set out by the law 'careless driving'...doing the school run on foot twice a day week days the local roads are being made a real hazard with people using push bikes with out care ... an once they ride on you have no ways of tracking them

ID jackets would also be useful to them if they were ever that careless to not see the car after they jump that red light an dont make it home ......'ID JACKET' al1 round winner
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