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Monday 14 October 2019 4.32pm
................and there's even a date for the Hayes service 2022.*

That's just three years off!

Bangers and Mash!

*Page 14
Tuesday 15 October 2019 1.16pm
Terry Cotta wrote:
See TfL docs below:

To date our plans have focused on a Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham with the possibility of a further extension beyond Lewisham to be delivered as a later phase.

We have considered a number of options for an extension beyond Lewisham and determined that there is a case for developing plans for an extension from Lewisham station to Hayes and Beckenham Junction.

This could involve:

Connecting the proposed Bakerloo line extension tunnels to the current National Rail line between Lewisham and Hayes at Wearside Road Council depot.
Converting the current National Rail line to Hayes to accommodate Bakerloo line services
Bakerloo line services replacing the current National Rail services on the line, affecting the following stations:

Catford Bridge
Lower Sydenham
New Beckenham
Elmers End
Eden Park
West Wickham

All good things and finally the tube is to arrive in South East London.

Brilliant - that should ensure I'll never get a seat at Lambeth North again.
Friday 18 October 2019 3.16am
Possibly not because by the time it happened they would have changed the signalling system to moving block and replaced all the trains with a much larger number of faster ones of the “New tube for London” design that have more space because they will be of the continuous articulated variety, not individual carriages. Between these factors when they are introduced starting in 2023 on the Piccadilly Line these trains will increase capacity by as much as 40% in the space of 2 years. By the time they are all in service 3 years later the capacity of the line will be 60% higher, with trains running at 2 minute intervals as they do now on the Victoria and Northern Lines. Anyone familiar with these lines will also be familiar with the peak time phenomena where a trains front end starts arriving on one end of the platform almost immediately after the previous trains back end disappeared into the tunnel. That is ever so slightly a better service than the one where one waits at Elephant and Castle for the train to move for 5 minutes and more even in peak hours.
Saturday 19 October 2019 5.03pm
That's a bit unfair, boroughbloke. Just came back on the Bakerloo from Oxford Circus (Saturday afternoon) - three trains in five minutes according to the 'next train' platform indicators = 1min, 3min and 5min.

The problem at Elephant and Castle is not the trains or the signalling, it's turning the trains around using just two dead-end platforms. I assume the proposed terminus at Lewisham will be better arranged (although I can't find any info on the consultation website). I think Stratford has four Jubilee line terminal platforms. The alternative would be to run incoming trains, once passengers have disembarked, straight ahead on to sidings and reverse them there (which is what DLR trains do at Bank, where they manage with just two platforms, one 'arrivals', one 'departures').

By the way, I see Bromley Borough Council are objecting to the extension to Hayes. Not that I'd ever want to go there.
Monday 21 October 2019 11.42am
John C wrote:
...By the way, I see Bromley Borough Council are objecting to the extension to Hayes. Not that I'd ever want to go there.

In 1981/82, Bromley Council took the GLC to court over the Fares Fair policy, causing it to be rescinded, on the grounds that Bromley ratepayers were paying to subsidise an underground system that didn't reach the borough - forgetting entirely that plenty of Bromley ratepayers work and socialise in town, so were beneficiaries of the policy.

Now they're being offered the chance to join the network, they don't want it. It's all a bit strange.
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