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Thursday 20 November 2014 2.09am
Completely agree. Seems like an obvious spot for the first stop of an extended line. Just wish they'd get to it now instead of waiting for a multi-year consultation.
Thursday 20 November 2014 8.41am
Ha! I moved to SE15 OKR in 1986 as the tube was coming. 25 yrs+ later after many headline stories we got the overground at QRP. Thank goodness for the 21 bus.
Friday 21 November 2014 6.46am
Please feel free to let us all know what homes and businesses at the south end of TBR you plan on levelling and replacing with the vast station box structure for your new fantasy station. And also let us all know how many 30-40 storey towers you'd like built atop it to help fund the digging of this huge hole in the first place.
Friday 21 November 2014 10.52am
I'd imagine a sub-surface station complex would be a better approach (like Old Street), to limit the removal of any buildings. The roundabout is also deliberately very large as a result of London Underground safeguarding the route for a possible extension of the Bakerloo line (yes, I nicked that from Wikipedia). This without the vexed point of the removal of the flyover, which would allow for further development on brownfield land. It's not that useful now, but improved sub-surface transport relieving pressure on the New Kent / Old Kent Road would limit its utility more. I don't know how much development would be needed to fund it; hopefully TfL do conduct a cost-benefit analysis to find out.
Friday 21 November 2014 6.41pm
Of course the station will be sub surface. By definition, all underground stations are! But even in central London they tend to demolish huge areas and create huge holes in the ground rather than very, very, very expensive tunnelled station complexes.

They don't build new underground stations like they did Old Street (a dreadful example) a century ago. They would be utterly illegal on the grounds of means of escape, general ventilation, smoke venting, accessibility and in so many other areas to start with.

Tunnelled stations, like of old, cannot compete with the cheapness and sheer practicality of digging big holes that are more often than not partially or wholly funded by the buildings that are built atop them.
Friday 21 November 2014 10.10pm
boroughbloke wrote:
Of course the station will be sub surface. By definition, all underground stations are! But even in central London they tend to demolish huge areas and create huge holes in the ground rather than very, very, very expensive tunnelled station complexes.
They don't build new underground stations like they did Old Street (a dreadful example) a century ago. They would be utterly illegal on the grounds of means of escape, general ventilation, smoke venting, accessibility and in so many other areas to start with.

Tunnelled stations, like of old, cannot compete with the cheapness and sheer practicality of digging big holes that are more often than not partially or wholly funded by the buildings that are built atop them.

Taking all your points together, perhaps the best thing to do would be to remove the flyover, excavate the quite large roudabout to create the capacity for the box and then cover it with a 40+ story resi building to pay for it all.
Friday 21 November 2014 10.32pm
By Jove, I think he's got it!
Saturday 29 November 2014 6.47pm
Anyone reading Harriet Harman's twitter feed today will see that Harriet has been busy campaigning for the Camberwell route. Along with independent thinker Mark Williams. No signs of wearing a T shirt to support Old Kent Road. Clearly, Southwark Labour are no longer supporting BOTH routes as reported by SE1 in July.

Which is a great shame. But behaviour has returned to normal!
Friday 23 January 2015 6.26pm
hhrca wrote:
Anyone reading Harriet Harman will see that Harriet has been busy campaigning for the Camberwell route. Along with independent thinker Mark Williams. No signs of wearing a T shirt to support Old Kent Road. Clearly, Southwark Labour are no longer supporting BOTH routes as reported by SE1 in July.
Which is a great shame. But behaviour has returned to normal!

Here's an update for you. In November 2014 Val Shawcross (Labour) aired the politicians answer and opinion supporting as usual not one but both routes.

Having said that in the next sentence Val then says she has accepted the wisdom of money, land and redevelopment opportunties and will naturally support the most logical outcome ie the route down the Old Kent Road.

See here:

If that doesn't open try this direct link: http://postimg.org/image/4jprnos29/

So Labour now believe SE5 is destined never ever to have a tube station of the Bakerloo variety all of it's own but at least Labour have it half right and there's good news for the Labour homeowners of SE15.
Peckham has now made the shortlist. And not just the once but even twice as the Bakerloo extension proposals may include a Peckhanm North and a Peckham Eastish.

Just like Trig said with the tube arriving 'at The Nags Head we're all Mill-Yon-Aires now!'

Jubbly Lovely Bubbly me Matey Platey Bangers'n mash ....or somesuch.
Friday 23 January 2015 10.22pm
The cold, hard reality is that new tube lines will only get realised in London if a proportion of the costs can be funded by developer contributions. And that is not going to change, even if a Labour Mayor is elected.

For example, the Northern Line Extension is being part-funded by extensive new developments between Nine Elms & Battersea.

Only Old Kent Road can deliver funding opportunities for the Bakerloo Extension and Southwark Labour are of course intelligent enough to understand this, even if publicly they continue with the charade of promoting Camberwell / Peckham - simply in order that they can win votes down there in the heartlands.

After the election in May this year, Southwark Labour will very quietly drop support for the extension to run to Camberwell & Peckham.
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