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Thursday 9 May 2013 10.47am
boroughonian wrote:
Do all these residential new builds and refurbs have sprinkler systems?
and what station/s would SE1 be served by,Dockhead? Vauxhall?

!min 38 secs could be the difference between life and death!

At present new builds do not have to have sprinklers.

If the cuts go ahead in the long term SE1 will be covered by Dockhead and Old Kent Rd fire Stations from inside the borough of Southwark and the Dowgate in the City and Lambeth in Lambeth.

In the short term there could be only 2 fire engines in the borough of Southwark for up to 18 months as they knock down and rebuild Old Kent Rd fire station later this year. That would leave us with one engine at Dockhead and one engine at Peckham,instead of the six we have now.
Thursday 9 May 2013 11.13am
Blimey that is not good at all,especially the short term both for residential and commercial,not to mention the firefighters themselves.
Thursday 9 May 2013 1.33pm
boroughonian wrote:
Do all these residential new builds and refurbs have sprinkler systems?
and what station/s would SE1 be served by,Dockhead? Vauxhall?

!min 38 secs could be the difference between life and death!
The LFB are currently campaigning for sprinkler systems to be installed in all new buildings and retro fitted to current buildings http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/news/LatestNewsReleases_25041330.asp#.UYuhrT1wbIU
Whilst some new developments within the Borough have sprinkler systems installed, some will not have and this will depend on the fire risk assessment that has been carried out by the responsible person for the building.
Should Southwark Fire Station be closed, something we're fighting hard to prevent, the nearest fire stations for the SE1 area would be Lambeth, Dowgate(across Southwark Bridge, Dockhead(planned to be vacated whilst being rebuilt in the next couple of years)and Old Kent Rd (due to be vacated this summer whilst rebuilt).
It is of great concern to all of us that yesterday's release of post cuts attendance times reveal that the two wards Southwark Fire Station covers predominantly, Cathedrals and Chaucer, will see attendance times increase by 1m38s and 1m24s respectively.
It should be mentioned that when Old Kent Rd fire station is vacated this summer, the two fire appliances will be relocated to Deptford fire station for the duration of the rebuild. This will mean that should Southwark fire station close and Peckham fire station lose one of their two appliances, there will only be two fire appliances based within the Borough of Southwark until Old Kent Rd fire station reopens.
As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, there is a meeting being held by the London Fire Brigade to allow local residents and businesses to voice their concerns over fire station closures. The meeting is on Tuesday 14th May 7-9pm at City Hall, Committee rooms 4 & 5. We would encourage all to attend. Thank you.
Thursday 9 May 2013 1.49pm
Southwark Fire Station wrote:
boroughonian wrote:
Do all these residential new builds and refurbs have sprinkler systems?
and what station/s would SE1 be served by,Dockhead? Vauxhall?

!min 38 secs could be the difference between life and death!
The LFB are currently campaigning for sprinkler systems to be installed in all new buildings and retro fitted to current buildings http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/news/LatestNewsReleases_25041330.asp#.UYuhrT1wbIU
Whilst some new developments within the Borough have sprinkler systems installed, some will not have and this will depend on the fire risk assessment that has been carried out by the responsible person for the building.
Should Southwark Fire Station be closed, something we're fighting hard to prevent, the nearest fire stations for the SE1 area would be Lambeth, Dowgate(across Southwark Bridge, Dockhead(planned to be vacated whilst being rebuilt in the next couple of years)and Old Kent Rd (due to be vacated this summer whilst rebuilt).
It is of great concern to all of us that yesterday's release of post cuts attendance times reveal that the two wards Southwark Fire Station covers predominantly, Cathedrals and Chaucer, will see attendance times increase by 1m38s and 1m24s respectively.
It should be mentioned that when Old Kent Rd fire station is vacated this summer, the two fire appliances will be relocated to Deptford fire station for the duration of the rebuild. This will mean that should Southwark fire station close and Peckham fire station lose one of their two appliances, there will only be two fire appliances based within the Borough of Southwark until Old Kent Rd fire station reopens.
As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, there is a meeting being held by the London Fire Brigade to allow local residents and businesses to voice their concerns over fire station closures. The meeting is on Tuesday 14th May 7-9pm at City Hall, Committee rooms 4 & 5. We would encourage all to attend. Thank you.

I'm now wondering whether the original risk assessments need to be amended if the proposed cuts go ahead,it certainly changes the likelihood/outcome ratio.
It could potentially cost the taxpayer more,just a thought.
Thursday 16 May 2013 8.16am
Thank you to everyone who came to the public meeting on Tuesday night at City Hall. There is still time to take part in the public consultation before it closes on the 17th June. It can be accessed by following this link https://www.citizenspace.com/app/london-fire-brigade/lsp5/consult_view
Thank you
Friday 17 May 2013 7.18pm
Not just the LFB being cut back ....


London ambulance service to be reduced in size
Sunday 19 May 2013 12.29pm
I guess waking Boris up to the whitewash of figures we learned about on Tuesday’s meeting would be effective. I’m not trusting Cleverly and Dobson to admit they got it wrong. They made it clear on Tuesday they do not care about our concerns nor could they explain why Southwark was chosen in the first place despite its high percentage of fire deaths in our area. (2011/12 five people in Southwark and three in Lambeth lost their lives, average in London per borough: one – Numbers from Tuesday’s meeting).

Everybody who wants to put more pressure on Boris (those cuts are his idea) you might like to e-mail him as well: mayor@london.gov.uk.
I did not get the impression on Tuesday that his 'eyes and ears', J. Cleverly, will be honestly reporting back to him.

Cleverly (chair) and his fellow London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority members can be found here:
http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/FireAuthority.asp
They also need to know we are very concerned about those increased times which will cost lives. They do have the power to tell Boris to save the money somewhere else.

Official e-mail address of consultation team: LondonSafetyPlan@london-fire.gov.uk


However, Boris wants to become PrimeMinister; with a track record in having blood of his Londoners on his hands? The bendy busses didn't work for Ken, too many accidents with cyclists. Didn’t get re-elected, did he?
Surely Boris will reconsider if he realises how he’s about to kill off his big ambitions?
So we better let him know what the voters think!
Sunday 2 June 2013 11.43am
I came across another petition the other day......
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/41043
Monday 10 June 2013 12.25pm
RE: the link to the online petition in 'Southwark Council launches petition against fire cuts" (http://www.London-SE1.co.uk/news/view/6871)

Please don't anyone be put off by the fact that Southwark Council has decided to have it's petition hosted on the iPetition site, and therefore once you click the sign button you will be asked by this 'non-profit, non-political' US-based site to donate via PayPal, and seemingly given no option to decline this request, in that there is no 'zero dollar' or 'no, thank you' option. Your 'signature' will in fact be registered even if you just close the survey page at this point without clicking anything more!

But as our local firefighters pointed out/requested the best option is to take still to take our views and 'on-the-ground' working knowledge to the London Fire Brigade consultation pages directly...

https://www.citizenspace.com/app/london-fire-brigade/lsp5/consultation/confirm_submit
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