Jan the old one wrote:Luke, I would love to see Boris cross the crossing by driscoll house, pushing a wheelchair or pushcair holding a childs hand at the same time..7 seconds.
Luke wrote:... I can't see how it makes sense to undermine those who are disagreeing with you in this forum. I have a right to my opinion and you have one to yours. And in fact, apart from the subways, I would say we are pretty much in agreement about the proposals at the Elephant. But we differ in our view about how to put across a point of view effectively. Please try to be civil and keep to the point.
Zoe wrote:Zoe have you done a survey amongst users of the subway? Stopped to ask strangers why they're there, what they like or don't like? We have and the demographic breadth of the appeal of the subways, even in their grotty state now, would it seems shock you. And at the TfL consultations which this campaign has attended in full, we've met many more fans of them too. Versus slower journeys adjacent to more polluting traffic their appeal becomes even stronger. It'll be a tragedy if they all go because people can't see beyond the disgust in their noses and the misperceptions about safety.Only the fittest young men like such things, the rest of us use them because we are forced to.
Zoe wrote:Which is why we don't just ask people who we meet in the subways.Asking those who use the subways is a self selecting audience.
Zoe wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if the cars went underground instead. But equally "why should pedestrians be forced to stand still by the side of the road and take longer to get from A to B and contribute to increased air pollution from stop start traffic when they could be moving and sheltered and quicker"?I don't see why pedestrians are pushed underground when cars are allowed to dominate on the roundabout, we shouldn't have to accept this.
Zoe wrote:Which is why the very first thing we did in late 2012 when the campaign began was draw the first accurate map of the subways - because one doesn't exist, the few out there now are actually quite incorrect. Donwload it here: http://www.saveoursubways.org/walkingmaps.htmlPerhaps Richard could draw me a map!
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