theedy wrote:EW hit it on the head. i spend a lot of time in Amsterdam
My observations;
There are no racing bikes
There are no mountain bikes
Most are on sit-up and beg cycles
It is mainly flat
The distances are shorter, no-one is trying to get from ? Norwood to Farringdon in the shortest possible time
The rules are clear but if I step into a cycle lane there is a polite ting, not a tirade
The cyclists obey the lights
There are pretty well no lorries and the buses and trams have their own rules /lights which the cyclists understand/respect
Which leads me to the conclusion that Amsterdam does not have much which is of relevance.
I would love London cyclists to turn into Amsterdam, but it is not going to happen.
The one thing I would like London cyclists to do is to give way on the left when a bus is approaching a bus stop. How the bus drivers manage it I don't know, but the number of times I have seen a cyclist try to race through the diminishing gap as he/she approaches a stop is frightening. And it will be the driver 's fault, and he will lose his livelihood.
Come on guys, think.
Julia7239 wrote:yay! tim's back....and then a big rant about cyclists...
Zoe wrote:///////Shall we take bets on how many pages this will run to - I'm going with 27.
theedy wrote:ct
The one thing I would like London cyclists to do is to give way on the left when a bus is approaching a bus stop. How the bus drivers manage it I don't know, but the number of times I have seen a cyclist try to race through the diminishing gap as he/she approaches a stop is frightening. And it will be the driver 's fault, and he will lose his livelihood.
Come on guys, think.
eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:Those blue lanes are a joke. Proper cycle lanes really are the best solution. It'll cost a fortune, but will save lives. Still, I wish cyclists wouldn't cycle at More London. I have been tempted myself in the past, as Tooley Street is murder, but practically gave up cycling ages ago, at least until some proper solutions in everybody's interest are found. The Barclay bikers are a problem as well, basically tourists, often inexperienced cyclists themselves, treating London as am iron horse play ground, presenting a danger mostly to themselves as well as others.
Guy's street wrote:It is not, and please don't twist my words - it doesn't help, not pedestrians, not cyclists and not motorists. It is clear that a grown up conversation on this subject still is utopian, so I am not going to bother.And there is the crux of the matter Edward
Why do people cycle in places they shouldn't? One part ignorance, one part fear because of the lack of infrastructure for safe cycling.
eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:I wasn't trying to twist your words - apologies if I misconstrued what you were saying.Guy's street wrote:It is not, and please don't twist my words - it doesn't help, not pedestrians, not cyclists and not motorists. It is clear that a grown up conversation on this subject still is utopian, so I am not going to bother.And there is the crux of the matter Edward
Why do people cycle in places they shouldn't? One part ignorance, one part fear because of the lack of infrastructure for safe cycling.
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