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Thursday 14 November 2013 1.11am
I've been involved in the fight to save Southwark (and the other stations) since this plan was first proposed.

Apart from the obvious work that firefighters do with fighting fires, there's also a lot of other work they do, and I'm not talking about saving cats stuck up trees.

Recently, there was a rather nasty car accident on Borough High Street, attended by crews from Southwark as well as the other emergency services.

On 7/7 LU staff were praised for handling the various incidents professionally. Yes it's true our staff were the first on the scene, but they helped the walking wounded. It was the emergency services who did the real rescue work in very difficult circumstances. There's no room at all in the tunnels, so it took professionals with professional equipment to rescue people.

London Underground also calls out the LFB on a regular basis. We have trains which run on 650 volts DC, on electrified rails, we have moving parts on trains which require grease to keep them lubricated, we have electrical equipment which gets very hot. We have escalators which run 20 hours a day, lifts which run 20 hours a day and then we have joe public throwing litter on the tracks which can sometimes get set alight by sparks.

Then if that's not enough we have the constant threat of a terrorist attack and the constant threat of people wishing to harm themselves by jumping in front of trains. Last week alone we had 5 yes FIVE people under trains. All of these incidents require the London Fire Brigade to attend. Train drivers don't crawl under trains, the Firefighters do, along with LU's own Emergency Response Unit, which is now a blue light emergency service also.

Then you have the mainline rail services as well, who have their own incidents, similar to those on the Underground.

In Southwark we have mainline stations at London Bridge (1 million passengers a week), Elephant & Castle, Blackfriars & Waterloo. In addition we have tube stations at Borough & Southwark.

Then we have landmarks such as The Shard & The Tate.

Recently, a fire alarm activation at The Shard left a number of people stranded on the 68th floor.

It really makes no sense to close Southwark (or any other fire station in London) based on a prediction by some computer software.

Yes, less people are dying in fires, but much of this is down to the fact people are starting to fit smoke alarms, many of which are fitted guessed it....firefighters
Thursday 14 November 2013 1.29pm
Just to add to the above, which was written at 1am when I wasn't functioning 100%, I would like to add that I'm not in any way suggesting that the safety of the public will be compromised. Safety on the Underground is paramount, all employees are trained in safety and the London Underground is one of the safest networks in the world.

The point I was trying to make is that with the closure of Fire Stations, it could take longer to get a response to incidents, which could result in service suspensions going on for longer than they do currently, as London Underground will ALWAYS put the safety of the travelling public first
Friday 15 November 2013 9.34am
Firefighters from Southwark involved in two major fires this week - details for the LFB website:

Monday 11th Nov

Eight fire engines and 58 firefighters and officers were called to a fire at a range of industrials units on Ormside Street, Peckham in the early hours of this morning. The two storey industrial units were badly damaged by fire.

Fire crews contained the blaze and no homes were affected and there were no injuries.

The Brigade was called at 0315 and the fire was under control by 0513. Firefighters from Brixton, Greenwich, Dockhead, Whitechapel, Southwark, New Cross and Old Kent Road attended the incident. The cause of the fire is under investigation.

Friday 15th Nov - ongoing

Eight fire engines are at the scene of a fire on Fetter Lane in the City this morning. The blaze is affecting part of a sauna area in a sub-basement gym under an office building. Two members of staff evacuated the gym before the Brigade arrived and were not injured.

Station Manager Gary Squires, who is at the scene, said:

"The fire is in the sub-basement, which means it's difficult for the smoke to escape and firefighters are working in very smoky conditions. Crews are working hard to bring the fire under control."

Fifty eight firefighters from Soho, Clerkenwell, Dowgate, Shoreditch, Homerton, Lambeth, Euston, and Southwark fire stations are tackling the blaze.

The LFB was called at 0705.

The cause of the fire is unknown at this stage.
Friday 15 November 2013 2.11pm
There was a fire in my building in the Rockingham Estate a couple of weeks back. I feel very fortunate that it happened between strikes.

4 fire engines on the scene within 10 minutes.

no-one hurt thank goodness. will certainly feel less safe with the closures.
Friday 15 November 2013 4.34pm
Sounds like you mean this one -

Firefighters were called to a fire in a five floor block of flats on Rockingham Street, Southwark, late on Sunday evening.

The whole of the second floor flat was severely damaged by smoke and the bedroom was severely damaged by fire.

A woman who was suffering from shock was treated at the scene by London Ambulance Service.

The fire is believed to have been caused by tea light candles used to celebrate Diwali and left unattended when the occupants left the property.

A London Fire Brigade spokesperson said:

“Candles are one of the most common causes of fire. It’s really important that you never leave a candle unattended and keep them away from curtains and anything else that can easily catch fire.”

Four fire engines from Westminster, Dowgate, Dockhead and Lambeth fire stations went to the scene with 21 firefighters and officers.

The Brigade was called at 2153 and the fire was brought under control by 2241.
Saturday 16 November 2013 12.03pm
jcpse1 wrote:
will certainly feel less safe with the closures.

I think you'd feel even more safe and more lives would be saved if utter idiots didn't leave buring candles unattended.

I think you'd feel even more safe, and at least 6 lives would have been saved at Lakanal House, if Southwark Council were not so demonstrably bad at adhering to the basic tenets of the building regulations and fire safety in their own buildings.

Fire safety is far better served with better prevention than any number of fire stations or appliances. Please also bear in mind that there are tracts of outer London for more distant from a fire station now than anywhere in SE1 will be if Southwark Fire Station is closed.
Saturday 16 November 2013 1.17pm
boroughbloke wrote:
didn't leave burning candles unattended / building regulations and fire safety in their own buildings / tracts of outer London for more distant from a fire station now than anywhere in SE1 will be if Southwark Fire Station is closed.

So many good points you are mentioning here!

Yes, not smoking while lying on bed/sofa and watching candles would improve fire victims' statistics a lot. Sadly those awareness and education activities will now be cut as well after 9.1.14.

I wish our housing association would listen to fire safety advice for landlords and put at least sprinklers into the top floors, but no, too greedy too.

And yes, some areas in outer London are not well covered. But they do have less traffic, hospitals, train and tube stations to deal with. So the LSP5 argument that their coverage is fine so in central London can be cuts, does not sound convincing, for me at least.

Thank you for rising the candle and landlord's responsibility issues.
Saturday 16 November 2013 4.07pm
The argument about needing less fire engines in the centre, and more in the outer boroughs doesn't hold up with regards to the London Safety plan.

A few years back, under an earlier LSP, the Brigade moved 10 pumps (the trucks which carry the water, ladders, and up to 6 Firefighters) from central london stations to more outer stations to improve the in attendance times of the 2nd pump arriving.

Two of those fire stations which gained appliances - Leyton and Chingford are now set to lose those appliances under the latest plans!
Saturday 16 November 2013 10.10pm
the man in the green suit wrote:
The argument about needing less fire engines in the centre, and more in the outer boroughs doesn't hold up with regards to the London Safety plan.

All these things have become political hobby horses. After all, no MP or local politician is ever going to support such a thing as the closure of a fire station or police station or A&E department, since people with simplistic ideas will so easily sell the idea that such closures will 'obviously' mean it will take longer for you to get to the hospital or for an ambulance to arrive or for a fire applicance to arrive or whatever and that this will 'obviously' mean more lives will be at risk.

The fact that this is a nonsense is something that is well known to the politicians as, for example, the doctors, who are pleading for changes, so they can focus resources and save more lives. However, the politicians could never actually admit it because there will always be a shallow political opponenet willing to sell simplicity instead.
Sunday 17 November 2013 11.24am
Well this was yesterday - be interesting to see who would attend on the 10th January 2014!

Four fire engines and around 20 firefighters and officers were called to a fire in an office block on Parliament Street in Westminster this afternoon.

The fire damaged part of an electrical equipment plant room on the roof of the six storey building.

The Brigade was called a 1432 and the fire was under control by 1635. Fire crews from Westminster, Lambeth, Southwark and Knightsbridge fire stations attended the incident. The cause of the fire is under investigation.
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