eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:Sandgrown Dave wrote:Clever misrepresentation, this. In 2013 motorways, rural "A" roads and rural minor roads accounted for more than 60% of all vehicle miles travelled, and such roads have little to no pedestrian presence. If there are no pedestrians around, it's not possible to injure them.
Does it say that rural "A" roads and rural minor roads are included in this. or how do you know that is the case?
jon9521 wrote:I can't believe the Council not only applied a 20mph limit for cars but left the cyclists with no speed limit. My wife would of appreciated a 20mph limit for cyclists on Southwark Bridge Rd when she was knocked over by a speeding cyclist who jumped the lights. It will just add to this ridiculous air of superiority that some cyclists have. Its enough for me to jump to voting for the Conservative or UYKIP parties as they appear to be the only parties that want to control the behaviour of bad cyclists
boroughonian wrote:johnnytee wrote:Gavin Smith wrote:Johnnytee, I've been to all three of the countries you cite with approval. In the case of the Netherlands, yes, they have much better infrastructure but their cycling "style" is aggressive and with no regard to other road users. I've been there many, many times and have cycled - and driven - extensively throughout the country, not just Amsterdam. We need to be careful.
"How could it be?" Well, how about a cyclist hurtling towards you - on a pavement - and blindly ringing their bell and just continuing in your direction, ignorantly believing that you must move just because they have rung their bell.
I do think Netherlands is a paradise transport wise compared to London. People in their 70's cycling in safety -OAPS dying of old age on their bikes is now not uncommon I hear. Less obesity. Far safer roads than here. Friends riding to hospital while heavily pregnant for check ups. 80% of primary school kids going by bike unaccompanied...of course your experience may differ to mine but again, I'd rather be hit by a bike than a car (e.g. london) if an accident does happen.
On the 2nd point why would a bike in the N's be on the pavement? I'm not doubting it happened if you say so, but a bike would be on a heavily traffic calmed road or a seperate cycle route - there is almost no need for them to be on the paths.
Back to the main thread point, it is illegal/ unenforceable to have a 20mph limit apply to cycles, discriminatory when only 1%? of cyclists can maintain that speed, and is unnecessary - if a cyclist hits a pedestrian injuring them then prosecute them for dangerous behaviour (what they *have* done, not what they *might* do).
There are many "shared spaces" in the Netherlands (it does appear to be an EU directive of sorts) and I have to agree with everything Gavin said about the cyclists over there, if anyone thinks we have militant cyclists over here, they should spend a weekend in the Netherlands. The abuse you get, and your on a shopping precinct!
Sandgrown Dave wrote:Ivanhoe wrote:As do the overwhelming majority of cyclists, of course.Cars and lorries tend to stay on the carriageway...
Ivanhoe wrote:Actually where there is an ASL many motor vehicle drivers do not stop behind the correct white line, but rather place their vehicle so as to occupy the cycle reservoir....They also tend to stop behind the white lines at junctions, and not place themselves in the pedestrian crossing space.
johnnytee wrote:the police should have caught the cyclist in your case ( they almost certainly could have if they wanted with cctv etc).
johnnytee wrote:...it would take resources. but so would monitoring the speed of thousands of people who are causing no harm and mostly not going over 20 anyway!
Ivanhoe wrote:There's no special treatment, Ivanhoe. It's just this: the legal framework which enables speed limits on the roads applies only to motor vehicles. So speed limits per se don't apply to bikes, nor to skateboards or horses for that matter. (Of course there's other legislation which can be used to prosecute non-motor vehicle road users for dangerous behaviour.) That's just the legal status quo....I just don't get this argument that cyclists deserve special treatment.
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