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Friday 25 July 2014 4.48pm
johnnytee wrote:
Bikes dont have speedos, cars do - a mechanical difference between vehicles that means it is not appropriate to enforce the speed limits for bikes.

Mass - A bike hitting you at 20mph will do some damage, but a car vastly more.


Any cyclist hitting you at 20 mph can probably be prosecuted for 'causing bodily harm by wanton or furious driving', whatever the speed limit may or may not be.
"Whosoever, having the charge of any carriage or vehicle, shall by wanton or furious driving or racing, or other wilful misconduct, or by wilful neglect, do or cause to be done any bodily harm to any person whatsoever, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years ..."

Introduced in 1861, but still in force and used if the case falls outside the usual dangerous driving rules - see a case from 2009:

(Thanks again Wikipedia.)

Oh, and lack of speedometers on bikes doesn't stop some parks imposing 5 mph speed limits on cyclists.
Friday 25 July 2014 5.50pm
When you been driving for a few years you get a feel for how fast you're going. If I don't, for whatever reason, the missus does and will say something. I am sure that other road users with different vehicles develop a similar sense of velocity. If people want to, they can adjust to traffic, even without the use of speedos (aren't they swimming trunks?)
Friday 25 July 2014 6.05pm
Jonnytee's point was right, it's not a good use of resources to try to tackle problem which there is very little evidence of in Southwark. A lot of cyclists might think they are doing over 20mph but I overtake a lot of men in Lycra (much to their outrage!) and they aren't really going that fast.
Friday 25 July 2014 8.42pm
Well, of course, if bikes can't go that fast, they won't mind being included in the categories of vehicle that are liable to be prosecuted for speeding...

...if you press it, they will come.
Friday 25 July 2014 8.47pm
Ivanhoe wrote:
Well, of course, if bikes can't go that fast, they won't mind being included in the categories of vehicle that are liable to be prosecuted for speeding...
Good point.
Friday 25 July 2014 8.47pm
Given how little enforcement there is of speed limits I'm all for more action to tackle it.
Friday 25 July 2014 11.52pm
A few points - any cyclist hitting a pedestrian is likely to be injured equally. unlike other vehicles -a powerful incentive not to crash, so again it's about the different characteristics of vehicles.

ivanhoe - zoe and I both said its pointless and a waste of money to have a ban, even if it was legal. there is a furious cycling offence instead, so it will just be another useless stick to beat cyclists with in the media ( police monitoring cyclists speeds etc)

it's a silly debate that hides the truth. cars/lorries are the problem for both pedestrians and cyclists, and the motoring lobby have a problem with that. my sugestion - Go to Holland Germany and or Denmark and use a bike/ see just how it could be, then come back and weep at the state of roads in London and the mayor's lack of vision on transport.
Saturday 26 July 2014 12.19am
Johnnytee, I've been to all three of the countries you cite with approval. In the case of the Netherlands, yes, they have much better infrastructure but their cycling "style" is aggressive and with no regard to other road users. I've been there many, many times and have cycled - and driven - extensively throughout the country, not just Amsterdam. We need to be careful.

"How could it be?" Well, how about a cyclist hurtling towards you - on a pavement - and blindly ringing their bell and just continuing in your direction, ignorantly believing that you must move just because they have rung their bell.

As for enforcing a speed limit, of course it should be enforced against cyclists. The offence of furious cycling stems from ancient legislation. How many prosecutions for that offence do you have think have been charged?
Saturday 26 July 2014 12.26am
The self-victimisation of some cyclists rally doesn't help. I was going to say "of the cycling community" but actually all road-users are a community, and all share responsibilities. This is about handling those that don't, who refuse to do their bit to make the roads safe for everyone, at the expense of none.
Saturday 26 July 2014 8.16am
callan, what a load of steaming crap you talk. have a look at the accident statistics and come back when you have an informed opinion and not just prejudices.
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