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Wednesday 27 August 2014 10.50am
Gavin Smith wrote:
Johnnytee wrote:
motorists deliberately nearly killing and injuring cyclists
**redacted***

Where are there "attempted murders" reported? The article that you link to is a case that is "sub judice" - under trial - and the defendant has pleaded not guilty.

The first sentence of your third paragraph isn't fair. Not only are your comments partisan, but
factually incorrect and I'm not sure they should be allowed in the public domain unless and until this chap is convicted.

You make reference to H&S standards, but it's a two-way street and just as there are "rights", there are "responsibilities".

A less than proficient cyclist should not be on the highway until at a suitable standard. They might choose to cycle in the park or somewhere separate until such time.

I have only *contempt* for people like you who don't look at the situation in a non partisan way. You are a big part of the problem. Compare these 2 and tell me I am wrong:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-25447028
Cyclist jailed for 12 months for seriopusly injuring a pedestrian

http://road.cc/content/news/127690-driver-who-killed-cyclist-escapes-jail-sentence
Driver who fatally injures cyclist gets community service

There are hundreds of such examples if you open your eyes. I say this not to insult you but because your views are so mistaken and you seem to be following the majority stance (anti-cyclist) that is very commonly expressed.
Wednesday 27 August 2014 10.58am
Where have you been for the past week, Jonny?

In relation to "contempt", you are the contemptuous one - your "redacted" comments could well have landed you in the chokey for contempt of court!

I'm not going to look at the links you reference. All cases are fact-specific and I have every confidence in our justice system and that the sentence passed was appropriate in each case.

To set the record straight, I am not "majority stance". In fact I am a keen cyclist, albeit not cycling as much as I used to - up until a year or two ago, I used to cycle about 10 miles a day to and from work, every day, come rain or shine. I now use a scooter.

My problem is the "minority stance" of cyclists - you included - that think they own the road. Just driving down Grange Road, I have just encountered the very thing - a cyclist who wanted to proceed straight ahead into Bermondsey Street/Decima Street who instead of remaining to the furthest left (cycle lane) decided to obstruct two lines of traffic by positioning his Brompton so as to impede the flow of traffic. A quick blast of the horn and some choice words soon moved him on! On a serious note though, he was endangering himself and others.
Wednesday 27 August 2014 11.22am
In light of this, introspection on behalf of the small, yet dangerous minority of self-victimising cyclists who persist in their refusal to take responsibility, is now really overdue.
Wednesday 27 August 2014 11.45am
johnnytee wrote:
I have only *contempt* for people like you who don't look at the situation in a non partisan way. You are a big part of the problem.

No. Absolutely NO.

The ONLY way to a workable solution for EVERYONE is for people to look at this in a non-partisan way.

While various groups refuse to even consider that they may be contributing to the danger on our roads, we'll make very little progress.

...if you press it, they will come.
Wednesday 27 August 2014 12.11pm
This is a good discussion thread, but we really should try to avoid it getting personal...
Thursday 28 August 2014 10.20am
Thursday 28 August 2014 1.42pm
Meanwhile, much closer to home: guide dogs and cyclists
Thursday 28 August 2014 1.46pm
On the guide dog thing - I read a tweet last night that showed that despite the "25% of guide dogs have been hit by evil cyclists" headlines, this actually equated to 16 reported incidents out of 320 guide-dogs currently active in London, and that there was no specific timescale put on how long these 16 incidents took place over.
Thursday 28 August 2014 2.06pm
Guy's street wrote:
On the guide dog thing - I read a tweet last night that showed that despite the "25% of guide dogs have been hit by evil cyclists" headlines, this actually equated to 16 reported incidents out of 320 guide-dogs currently active in London, and that there was no specific timescale put on how long these 16 incidents took place over.

That's the thing though - no one says "guide dogs hit by EVIL cyclists". That's exactly the kind of self-victimisation that irks me so much: "It's just an anti-cyclist agenda, everyone's on our case, so we're just going to keep doing what we're doing". So, that tweet questions "the timescale on how long these 16 incidents took place over". Does that matter? Do these blind people have an anti-cyclist agenda as well, and therefore sod them? I can understand being confrontational with aggressive/careless/clueless drivers and stupid pedestrians, but blind people? Really? Not even the slightest consideration?
Thursday 28 August 2014 3.09pm
eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:
I can understand being confrontational with aggressive/careless/clueless drivers and stupid pedestrians, but blind people? Really? Not even the slightest consideration?

Of course, people with impaired sight are highly vulnerable and need great consideration, nobody could possibly say otherwise.

I just wish that the Guide Dogs for the Blind Association had tried harder to be honest and not try to dog-whistle support through misleading statistics with this "story".

The BBC story here now sets this straight.

Correction: An earlier version of this story said a quarter of guide dogs working in London had been hit by a bike. The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association has since said the information it provided was incorrect.
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