Ivanhoe wrote:Wulfhound wrote:Half the problem Ivanhoe is that the cyclists there are coming off Great Dover Street - it can take people a bit of time to adjust from "dealing with traffic on main road" mentality to "ambling along at a gentle pace with pedestrians".
Sorry, but I completely disagree.
As a pedestrian, a cyclist, a motorcyclist, or a car driver, I have to use observation and forward planning to actively moderate my speed according to where I'm going.
If I cycle off the road and onto shared space, I KNOW what I'm doing. It's an active choice. And I have the choice as to whether to proceed with caution and consideration to pedestrians, or to put my head down and go full pelt.
As to the gates - it's pretty sad if disabled cyclists, tandem riders, families with cargo bikes etc. end up losing out because of some selfish *&%ús on mopeds who can't stick to the law. I'd have thought an enforcement blitz is what's needed there. Crush their noisy, smelly little mopeds and give them clean, quiet e-bikes instead?
Ivanhoe wrote:Almost precisely my point, Guys St, except that I'd go a little further.
In my eyes, regardless of the markings on the road, a cycle route like the one by The Roebuck, that cuts across pedestrian space, leaving ped's no option but to cross (aka share) the cycle space means that no reasonable human being on two wheels would think to insist on their "rights" over a human being on two feet.
It's 20 yards, at most. Why on earth would anyone think it's reasonable not to prepare to slow down? "Rights" aren't the issue.
Ivanhoe wrote:OK, fine. If that's the way you think I'm not going to push against it. You're responsible for your own actions, and if you can hold those views without being embarrassed then I suspect there's little I can do to change them.
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