Neil Coyle abstains from vote on Welfare Bill

I'm a little surprised at someone defending abstaining in the vote. What is the point of being the opposition if you don't oppose and this vote was about implementing really nasty cuts, which are not Labour national policy so Harriet Harman had no reason to call to abstain.

If the Labour Party doesn't oppose the politics of the Tories, what's the point of them. No wonder they didn't win the election when they aren't acting like an opposition and aren't providing an alternative.

boroughonian wrote:

Sigh
I was actually being apolitical, or at least trying to analyse from outside the game.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were trying to score some free brownie points for good old Nige on the back of Corbyn's integrity.

eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:

boroughonian wrote:

Sigh
I was actually being apolitical, or at least trying to analyse from outside the game.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were trying to score some free brownie points for good old Nige on the back of Corbyn's integrity.

and there was me thinking I was making a case for Corbyn.

boroughonian wrote:

eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:

boroughonian wrote:

Sigh
I was actually being apolitical, or at least trying to analyse from outside the game.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were trying to score some free brownie points for good old Nige on the back of Corbyn's integrity.

and there was me thinking I was making a case for Corbyn.

By drawing comparisons to Farage? How odd - not necessarily because of Nige's views, I just don't believe a word he says.

eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:

boroughonian wrote:

eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:

boroughonian wrote:

Sigh
I was actually being apolitical, or at least trying to analyse from outside the game.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were trying to score some free brownie points for good old Nige on the back of Corbyn's integrity.

and there was me thinking I was making a case for Corbyn.

By drawing comparisons to Farage? How odd - not necessarily because of Nige's views, I just don't believe a word he says.

Farage gained popularity despite being sniped at from all directions, I can see the same thing happening with Corbyn, was my point. He answers questions with a "straight bat" like you know who.
I see similarities, not political obviously, I see similarities with those two and Galloway actually.

Jules62-- there is a 4th way and it does indeed need a fresh face and boldness to push it forward . There are just two Human Needs viz. Sustenance and Shelter . The latter requires a major shake up of land ownership . The party that has the guts to phase out private landlordism and treats land as a national asset ( note , the land and not what is built on it ) can halt the current destruction of value that is taking place in this country . I would refer you to Alfred Russell Wallace's papers on the subject written more than a century ago.

I'd like to think NC's reasons for abstaining are genuine. I also hope Labour choose a genuine, Labour worthy leader, as we need that, if only for balance.

eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:

I'd like to think NC's reasons for abstaining are genuine. I also hope Labour choose a genuine, Labour worthy leader, as we need that, if only for balance.

So we agreed all along, but had to go through that crap as you hit your default position of trying to slap people down.


Brilliant.

A genuine principled position or the new boy toadying to the leadership with an eye on his future?

We shall see.

One cannot thank him enough, of course, for nominating Jeremy Corbyn.

The sight of these dreary Blairites running around screaming 'it's not fair' is wonderful entertainment.

JasonSE1 wrote:

One cannot thank him enough, of course, for nominating Jeremy Corbyn.

Shame he then decided to withdraw his support:

"Neil Coyle, MP for Southwark and Bermondsey, said he had now switched his vote to Yvette Cooper or Liz Kendall, although he did not regret nominating Mr Corbyn"

He said: “I don’t think he would be a good leader for our party or this country – and that is what I hope members will be thinking when they cast their final vote.”