There's a superb blog post at http://ottocr.at/?p=296 linking the Gladstone to other nearby pubs threatened by developer freeholders - such as the RVT, as I'd mentioned earlier in this thread.
What's striking is that in inner London anyway, pubs' fate is being determined not just by whether they pull in enough punters.
A thriving venue can have earned its keep for a century or more, yet be doomed if the ultimate owners figure they could make more by throwing flats up instead. It's no longer about footfall but footprint.
What outcome from the meeting meanwhile? I couldn't make the Clyde (which itself is a shining example of a traditional family-run boozer that still knows how to do it).
If deprived of venues like these, we'll soon be living in a soulless wasteland fed and watered only by samey catering chains. For a preview, just walk along Southwark Street towards Blackfriars Road...
Thanks for the link to the blog post! My cousins and I feel a bond to the Glad through our shared family history and we are keen to get involved in campaigning to save it. I also feel really strongly about the wider issue here. London's past is also London's future. I'm meeting a journalist in the Glad on Monday afternoon and we're hopeful that we can get some decent coverage ahead of the planning decision. I'll be following this thread and look forward to getting stuck in!
I am very sorry to hear about the Glad, to be replaced by a 10-storey tower, but there are also many other tall/taller buildings in the borough. I must mention that since Lancs. declared itself frack-free the Govt's decided that we should all be fracked! I feel very sorry for all residents, and employees/employers who take up residence in tall buildings will not be saved from David's wrath!
Also we lose yet another centre of the community, why could it not have been listed as an Asset of Community Value like the Ivy House in Peckham, it has a long social, historical record?
Why doesn't the Council appreciate our history and its buildings, shame on you! Southwark is a wonderfully historical borough - let's value what we've got and make the best use of our records of social history, some of which are beautiful buildings. Another thing, the Tower of London and many other buildings have been around for centuries, what did the planners and builders know then that we don't know now?
Hi All - by way of update, the Asset of Community Value application has now been submitted to Southwark Council jointly on behalf of the Save The Gladstone Arms Group and SE London CAMRA. The Council have told me their ACV panel will meet shortly to consider the application. Fingers crossed!
Iím not really sure I get your point. What does this have to do with fracking? There is no fracking in London. From your other posts this seems some arbitrary way to make a political statement about the government without any bearing on a small site in Zone 1.
Also, whilst I acknowledge that Southwark donít have the best track record, your implication that they should be shamed for what theyíve done here is ill-founded. Southwark havenít approved the development, in fact a councillor in charge of planning & regeneration has tweeted publicly that heís against it. All theyíve done is accept the planning application (which they have a statutory right to do) from the landowner (who similarly has a statutory entitlement to seek to the highest value use they can for assets they own Ė we do live in a democratic free market afterall).
The controls and systems in place around planning are designed to deal with the character of areas, the look of the built environment and affordable housing and tenure mix. That process started yesterday when the planning application was submitted. It hasnít Ďnot been listedí, the process for that similarly only just started Ė it is not in the councilís remit or right to list things of ACV proactively, that defeats the purpose.
Now, Iíll agree that they donít have a great track record and will be sorely letting the community down if they do approve it Ė the assertion that they have already done so in this case, is false in my opinion.