GNeil Coyle??? Another traitor to the original Labour party movement....careers only. It is fascinating how much these unprincipled tories in disguise suddenly become very principled over voting methodology in this leadership election....it us a sick joke. It is they not Jeremy who is leading the party to disaster...at this rate will be a miracle if anyone at all wants to join the circus sorry parity
I do believe that Jeremy Corbyn's nomination for the leadership is a good thing, but I do not believe he would be the right person to lead the Labour Party in the next General Election. Michael Foot comes to mind.
His nomination has stirred the interest of some of the public as to what Labour's deep and abiding principles are although they have been carefully hidden from public view for far too long.
I would correct Floodplain, or rather differ, as to the conclusions to be drawn from the Newsnight focus groups. As I understood it none of them had voted for Labour in the last election and most had not done so in the previous election (2010) but that was understandable when one heard the comment from one of the women who said "I think David Cameron is doing a good job" and was sincere in saying it.
They all seem to have accepted everything the media, including the BBC (which seems to be doing all that it can to remain on good terms with the government) throws at Corbyn and unfortunately mud sticks.
"Their(sic) was absolutely no doubt or hesitation in their minds that they were not going to vote for him".
Although they indicated they would not vote for him I got the impression that they would not vote Labour again because not one of them seemed to be a natural supporter of Labour.
But in five years time when the NHS has been completely dismantled and they have seriously sick members of their families they will be praying for a Corbyn type politician to come to the rescue.
The irony, for me, is that if Corbyn winds up leader and fights the next election as leader, then Labour will get trounced I'm afraid, meaning another 5 years of Tory government, after which, the time will be right for a Corbyn type, but Labour would have swung back to the right.
I often wonder where we would be now if New Labour was never born, would the old lot, clause 4 and corduroy, have eventually gained power?
I recall Tony Benn voicing support and admiration for John Smith. A decent person. But unwell and his sudden demise not to be. Cords and duffel not that bad. Foot was decent also but in soft left tradition was ripe for being got at by Healey Hattersley etcetera I was at Labour Brighton conference and recall Kinnock support for Healey just to stop Benn. Soft left
Supporting right wing.. there should be left Labour. Right Tory and stodgy liberals where they have always been whatever new names they come up with.....although the old Liberals were most instrumental in the founding of NHS a true example of caring Social ism at its humane best. Withe Labour's help absolutely. It was their baby... never the Tories child so consequently can't love it as a true parent can they? Generally speaking.......
One thing we should take into account, is that Corbyn was elected by the majority of people who have the right to vote in a Labour leadership contest.
I am guessing that the Parliamentary Labour Party's support for him did not run to 59%: I would estimate their endorsement of Corbyn to be much lower.
So I hope that the new leader will not find his efforts being undermined by fellow Labour MPs and Peers, and ignored by Labour controlled local authorities such as Southwark, whose housing strategies (bedding down with big money developers and displacing working class residents) are everything Corbyn stands against...
In short, I hope that Peter John and Co take serious note of the winds of change within Labour and make some much needed strategy and policy adjustments.