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Monday 12 October 2015 1.01pm
If people want a broader discussion about faith schools, perhaps they could start another thread - let's keep this thread focussed on the Southwark Bridge Road scheme.

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Monday 12 October 2015 1.49pm
Maybe I was unlucky: I used to live next to a big secondary school in Lewisham and it's one of the reasons why I moved. And now the big secondary school is moving next to me.
I guess I will be the victim of the new social cleansing :)

I'm sure most of the kids will be wonderful, but you just need a 3% of trouble makers (and that's a big group out of 1150) and the area will change for the worse.

Anyway:
1) I hope to be wrong
2) it seems that it's all been decided already and the consultation from Hadston sounds like the usual farce done just to comply with legislation, so no point in wasting too much energy.
Monday 12 October 2015 2.14pm
Sorry to hear that, Marco.

Looking at this map http://schoolsfinder.direct.gov.uk/school-location-search-results/?searchString=southwark&distanceValue=3&ddlAgeRange=&ddlFundingType=&ddlGender=&specialismPrimary=-1&specialismSecondary=-1&sbtFindSchools=Find+schools it would seem that you'd actually managed to find somewhere to live that has no secondary school anywhere vaguely near it, so I can see why you're miffed about a possible new school (and if you look at the linked map and see the shortage of secondary schools in that part of the borough, you might also see why I'm keen on a school at the fire station).

...if you press it, they will come.
Tuesday 13 October 2015 8.20am
That map doesn't look accurate. It doesn't show the Globe in Harper Road. It's huge!
Just build a couple of extra floors on top of it and send your kids there :)
Tuesday 13 October 2015 9.31am
I think you maybe have to drag it, Marco, or re-centre the search point. I'd tried to centre it in an area near the fire station for your benefit, but it might not have worked properly, or it might just be illustrating my point (that if you live near the fire station then you live a long way from any secondary schools).

When I searched based on where we live (near the Globe Academy), it clearly showed the Globe. However, from there heading west, you have to travel a fair way to find another secondary school.

To me, there's a debate about whether we want SE1 to be a place where you can put down roots as a family, and can bring up and educate children, or whether we want it to be a place where rich middle aged people live in penthouses and young professionals fight rising rents to try and hang on for a few years before moving out of town.

...if you press it, they will come.
Tuesday 13 October 2015 11.47am
Ivanhoe is right our area is not well catered for at secondary level-especially for boys if you want an all boys school. You only need to look at the amount of primary schools in the area-all those kids have to go somewhere. My son is at secondary school now and trotting round a few to view them was a nightmare-most are oversubscribed with 6-10 kids applying for every one place at the more popular schools-as i have said before it is a lottery and we need not just more school but more good schools.

I don't know what the Globe is like now but a couple of years ago had a bad reputation-one of the children at my sons school was kept home by his mum as she refused to send him there-there will probably be loads of posts saying how it has improved now but it was the school they gave you if you did not get in anywhere else and was not popular with parent always being under subscribed.
Tuesday 13 October 2015 2.49pm
Ivanhoe wrote:
I think you maybe have to drag it, Marco, or re-centre the search point. I'd tried to centre it in an area near the fire station for your benefit, but it might not have worked properly, or it might just be illustrating my point (that if you live near the fire station then you live a long way from any secondary schools).
When I searched based on where we live (near the Globe Academy), it clearly showed the Globe. However, from there heading west, you have to travel a fair way to find another secondary school.

To me, there's a debate about whether we want SE1 to be a place where you can put down roots as a family, and can bring up and educate children, or whether we want it to be a place where rich middle aged people live in penthouses and young professionals fight rising rents to try and hang on for a few years before moving out of town.

Not sure anyone has a say in that, I think the new Askes might just be a school for those rich middle class people's children. Meanwhile, there's all sorts of caps for the poorer souls.
Tuesday 13 October 2015 3.45pm
As a teacher at Habs, I feel I ought to correct some of the above.

As to the idea that the results are great and compare well, no! The GCSE results at Hatcham are lower than the two nearest Lewisham secondary schools (Deptford Green 80% 5 A*-C, Addey and Stanhope 82.5% 5 A*-C – Hatcham 70% - even lower at Haberdashers Crayford and Knights schools). Hatcham tries to handpick its students but still results have fallen for a few years now, not sure about the last ten years as mentioned above but for some time. Deptford Green and Addey & Stanhope have slightly more challenging student intakes but produce better outcomes.

So, why? In short: incompetent, bullying management focused on the data, who do not care about the children or teachers. You only have to look at the turnover at Hatcham over the last 2 years, and how almost all heads of department in post even a year ago have left or are leaving at Christmas.

So why are they ‘Outstanding’ according to Ofsted? Good question – no-one here knows! The best answeris maybe that this is a flagship government Academy with high political connections. This doesn’t mean it does a good job.

When the school didn’t get its desired Dulwich site there was more happiness in the staff room than I’d seen in a long time. I hope Habs is not given this SE1 school!

I suggest you talk to a former or current Habs teacher if you want the real picture.
Tuesday 13 October 2015 4.52pm
and the globe GCSE pass rate for 2015 was 51% -70% is good by that standard hence the feeling that the school may be good for the area

As an ex Study and nohope pupil glad to hear it is doing well with its challenging intake
Tuesday 13 October 2015 5.05pm
dee dee wrote:
and the globe GCSE pass rate for 2015 was 51% -70% is good by that standard hence the feeling that the school may be good for the area

dee dee - The point I was trying to make was that Habs doesn't do well for its students compared to other schools. I would not hold out faith that it could do any better than Globe given that it doesn't do better than nearby schools in Lewisham.
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