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Tuesday 26 January 2016 4.17pm
That's a hefty application for a hefty new development, a mere 1.7m shorter than Strata tower at its tallest point together with a lot more down below.

Our TRA, whilst daunted by the size and disruption of construction, was generally welcoming. But first impressions of the revised design since consultation last year is that they've not addressed the significantly narrowed pavement on London Road - they admitted their design had not taken into account TfL's road widening (by a whole lane), and it still doesn't. The roof-top gardens that looked so verdant in the 2015 visualisations have also shrunk significantly to be replaced by hard surfaces in the revised design. (I've posted some pics from the application at www.facebook.com/perronethouse)

Their justification for shrinking the green space by listing local sites on p113 isn't helped by labelling West Square as Red Cross gardens and ignoring their most local play space, the popular and pretty Elliott's Row Pocket Park.

If I may delight in trivia, it's lovely to see residents are provided with sand pits to play in: "Building
B, also incorporates further play opportunities for all residents of the development using mounded play forms to provide climbing and balancing opportunities as well as sand play."
Wednesday 27 January 2016 1.43pm
Are the demolishing the Southbank Uni library and the homeless shelter as well then?
Wednesday 27 January 2016 2.01pm
Yes, that's right, the proposal is to redevelop everything framed by London Road, Newington Causeway, Ontario Street and Keyworth St. The adjacent Technopark of LSBU on London Road and Keyworth Street, the other side of Ontario Street, is also earmarked for demolition and redevelopment but not as part of the scheme discussed here.
williamn wrote:
Are the demolishing the Southbank Uni library and the homeless shelter as well then?
Wednesday 27 January 2016 2.42pm
Where will the replacement homeless shelter be after they pull existing one down? Or will that be an afterthought, bit like social tenants on heygate after it became elephant park.
Wednesday 27 January 2016 3.02pm
Good question, I've not come across reference to this in the application yet. I assume that removing it is all consistent with the general social cleansing of the area, akin to removing grime which I see from the applications visualisations also involves bricking up the independent trader running Chak89 and G-News next to the tube on London Road... which I suspect is an over exuberant tidy-up rather than within their influence. Image here: https://www.facebook.com/elephantandcastleroundabout/photos/pcb.731388320330602/731385623664205/?type=3&theater

it's to be it's all part of the clean
Jan the old one wrote:
Where will the replacement homeless shelter be after they pull existing one down? Or will that be an afterthought, bit like social tenants on heygate after it became elephant park.
Tuesday 23 February 2016 11.54pm
The avoidance of easy, short, subterranean interchanges between the tube lines, Thameslink and buses is probably not accidental.

These will all be valuable 'movement routes' with heavy footfall, lined with retail and convenience opportunities when the opportunity permits, or to be fair, also art, trees and sitting opportunities. Keeping huge volumes of pedestrians moving (by avoiding cross flows rather than necessarily allowing everyone to use the shortest route) and legible and safe is more easily achieved on the surface. This explains Kings Cross' redesign and why if you follow the signs it can take a good 5 minutes to get from the subsurface lines to a train platform.

Back on topic, one thing to pay attention to in the developer's proposals is the wind impacts. The City of London has considerable experience in planning for (actually helping to site, shape and design) skyscrapers and having come to realise that due to listing some will be there many more decades than the usual few decades intended for offices, is paying closer attention to the impacts. One of these is wind and downdrafts - see http://www.bdonline.co.uk/walkie-talkie-wind-complaints-prompt-city-clampdown/5076276.article. They are commissioning independent verification of developers' wind reports.

Strata is not comfortable to be around in anything above a stiff breeze, and dust and debris blowing around is plain unpleasant - but at least this is not intended as pleasant sitting out space and doesn't have a cycle way past it. Not so with Skipton House. The good news is that mitigation measures - trees, hedges, or structures with planting off them - if suitably large and well located can be effective and attractive.
Thursday 25 February 2016 11.35am
Article in the Evening Standard today about Skipton house development blocking views from Serpentine bridge

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/new-40storey-tower-will-spoil-views-of-westminster-from-serpentine-a3188636.html
Thursday 25 February 2016 12.10pm
...which of course the Standard picked up from this website

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Monday 29 February 2016 8.58pm


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Tuesday 1 March 2016 12.39pm
I find it more than incredible that this proposed building would spoil the skyline at any point, including from Hyde Park... The many ugly buildings in the City constantly spoil the London skyline, especially that monstrosity of the Chard (views near Southwark Cathedral have been totally destroyed)...

Compare the Paris skyline with that of London and it is very easy to see where London planners and their greed have gone wrong!
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