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Thursday 29 September 2016 1.15pm
If your troublesome neighbour has mental health or is not a fully functioning member of society i.e drug use etc then forget about getting any help. They appear to get all the support.
I have had neighbours who have caused no end of stress to others because of their behaviour but alas nothing ever is done about it.
I have been informed that social housing is now increasingly iven over to people with mental health/drug use so these problems are not going to go away.
What with care in the community and lack of funding it is the functioning tenants that are left to police many of these situations.
And no, this is not a rant against those unfortunate people with mental health and other issues but merely a post highlighting that functioning tenants have little or no support in dealing with these issues.
I have had terrible experiences with tenants playing loud music till all hours, parties, verbal abuse, banging etc. And I was expected to live with it. So annoying when you are going off to work to pay taxes so you can be kept up till 4 in the morning !!
Thursday 29 September 2016 7.42pm
AntAnt wrote:
If your troublesome neighbour has mental health or is not a fully functioning member of society i.e drug use etc then forget about getting any help. They appear to get all the support.
I have had neighbours who have caused no end of stress to others because of their behaviour but alas nothing ever is done about it.
I have been informed that social housing is now increasingly iven over to people with mental health/drug use so these problems are not going to go away.
What with care in the community and lack of funding it is the functioning tenants that are left to police many of these situations.
And no, this is not a rant against those unfortunate people with mental health and other issues but merely a post highlighting that functioning tenants have little or no support in dealing with these issues.
I have had terrible experiences with tenants playing loud music till all hours, parties, verbal abuse, banging etc. And I was expected to live with it. So annoying when you are going off to work to pay taxes so you can be kept up till 4 in the morning !!
I agree with you, there is little to no help for tenants in these situations...it can take years. When we was having trouble with guy below before the anti social lady told me that we would have to move before they would move him if it got that bad. As they moved him three times already. So ok for us to go through all the expense again then...of what we cant really afford anyway. and as usual he gets his own way. But luckily now its all calmed down we ignore him...but yeah he does have mental health problems. His parents dont help either who live round corner..but they dont want him living with them though..he is a grown man in his 40's but has the brain of a child. He does childish things, like jumping out on people for a laugh, taking the cleaners broom and hiding it in the bin on corner. The sort of things a kid would do, not an adult. But if someone does it back to him he dont like it.
Thursday 29 September 2016 7.53pm
I think its same old story, money, most of us are just getting by so have little to no support or help. If you are loaded with money you certainly get more help in this life. We dont have money for solicitors or court fees to take it on privately if councils wont bother. Because if we were loaded we would probably live in a semi detached house instead..and the councils dont want the expense either so its ignored..where we live is very convenient to get anywhere, we are near to the station and buses and can get from south east to west end in 15 minutes. but as you say, when you end up with bad neighbour it makes things difficult. We live in a small block with four flats, and two of them have mental health people in them. The guy below who can be trouble, and next door to us a couple with mental health issues. She had a baby in her flat and they would not let ambulance in to get to her, so had to find a ladder for them to climb up in that way to save the baby. The child was taken away, but shameful social services just left them to get on with it, knowing they cant function properly in the flat. the guy seems more with it then she does but when she has gone out needs a key worker and she seems like she cant function properly. Yet ok to have children though...pretty shameful how the system can just leave them like this.. But they have though...
Thursday 29 September 2016 8.35pm
I found this info from a site so copied it over to here, this is the reality::::

Landlords seeking to evict tenants with mental disabilities must tread carefully, says Robert Wassall, head of the social housing sector group at Blake Lapthorn

When mental health problems lead to anti-social behaviour by residents, social landlords may seek an eviction - but increasingly they have been
facing a legal quagmire.

Two laws have, in particular, been responsible for this; the Disability Discrimination Act 1995, (now replaced by the Equality Act 2010), and the Human Rights Act 1998.

Eviction battle

In 2003, in the case of North Devon Homes v Brazier, a landlord was unable to evict a tenant who admitted serious, persistent ASB because she had a disability (paranoid psychosis). The court decided that the Disabilitiy Discrimination Act made it unlawful to evict someone when the breach of the tenancy terms was caused by the disability, in this case because the tenant was unable to prevent herself from behaving in that manner. This was the first time this act had been used in a housing case.

This was followed in 2004 by the case of Manchester Council v Romano, in which the Court of Appeal decided that a possession order could be granted against a disabled tenant but only if the landlord believed it was justified in seeking the order to avoid endangering the health or safety of the neighbours, and it was reasonable in all the circumstances for the landlord to hold that opinion.

In 2008, the case of Malcolm v Lewisham Council reached the House of Lords. It decided that, for there to have been any discrimination, a
tenant needed to show their mental condition played some motivating part in the landlordís decision to evict.

Turning point

This case was regarded by many lawyers representing social landlords as a turning point, making it easier to evict those with mental health conditions. The incumbent government agreed and ensured that the Equality Act reversed this decision, thus reverting the law to where it was as a result of the Romano case.

In 2010, in the case of Barber v Croydon Council the Court of Appeal concluded that possession proceedings against a tenant with a personality disorder, who had assaulted a caretaker, were unreasonable.

In the same year in the case of Manchester Council v Pinnock, the Supreme Court confirmed that any person at risk of being evicted by a social landlord should have the right to defend the claim on the basis that their human rights were being infringed, even if their right of occupation under domestic law had ended.

Victim support

Every anti-social behaviour case has at least one victim, often many more. These are the people who really suffer disruption to their lives, often for months or even years. They must stand up and be counted by helping to build a case against the perpetrator.

Landlords seeking to evict a tenant with a disability must be able to demonstrate to a court that: they have taken the disability into consideration when deciding to start legal proceedings; concluded that they must take legal action because of the effect the anti-social behaviour is having on health of the perpetrator or the victims; and ensured that legal action is a proportionate response to the ASB.....
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