faraday wrote:John C wrote:So if sunday you're free,
Why don't you come with me,
And we'll poison the pigeons in the park.
Firstly: I decline your nasty offer and I will not join your pigeon poisoning exploits since it is a far more serious offense than feeding the pigeons ... unless you are authorised by Southwark council?
Gavin Smith wrote:To be clear, I "liked" John's verse. I don't like pigeons and agree that they are rats with wings. I certainly wouldn't feed them and would like for them to be humanely removed.
John C wrote:Is there a notice requesting people not to feed the pigeons?
faraday wrote:spartacus wrote:John C wrote:Is there a notice requesting people not to feed the pigeons?
There is certainly one in Tabard Street, placed on the railings of the gardens...if my recall is correct, it threatens a fine of £80 for feeding them.
This is for people who visit the borough or own freehold properties.
In Southwark, Pigeon feeding is a specific condition in both leaseholder and tenancy contracts which people who live in the borough must sign. Go and check. In each case it is a breach of contract to feed the pigeons, forget the small fine, you could lose your home as a result.
faraday wrote:John C wrote:Sorry - I'm neither a visitor to the borough nor an owner of a freehold property - just a private tenant whose lease says nothing about pigeons, so I didn't know. But surely it can only prohibit a tenant feeding pigeons on the premises or on the estate -
actually, I've just found it on-line 'You must not feed any pigeons on the estate or in the locality of the property.' Not quite sure how extensive 'the locality of the property' is meant to be - the rule certainly seems to allow you to feed the pigeons in the locality of someone else's property! (Like in front of the LCC for example?) Or is the Council trying to restrict the activities of its tenants in public places?
So, to repeat my earlier question, is there a Southwark byelaw - one the Council can enforce - to stop people (council tenants or not) feeding pigeons in public places, in areas that are not council estates, parks or council-owned properties? If there is, then the Council could spend part of the £100,000 p.a. on employing wardens to issue spot fines to whoever they catch doing it. Then the pigeons can die slowly of starvation (which is natural) or move to more welcoming boroughs.
Feeding large flocks of pigeons in a public place is a nuisance, but is it illegal?
You recognise Pigeon feeding as a nuisance, good.
and if it affects your neighbors property (pigeon feces on property or vehicles) then you could be served notice by the council under section 80 of the 1990 Environmental Protection Act. If there is a rat infestation as a result of the food being left out for pigeons then you could be served notice under the 1949 prevention of damage by pests act. If you are feeding pigeons in a public place the council can serve you with a fixed penalty notice on the spot fine under the Crime and Policing Act (ASBO related) as it is littering and encouraging vermin.
faraday wrote:Easy to answer John
The breach of tenancy/leaseholder contract would see the offender leaving the neighborhood. (They can collect a Darwin award for services to pigeondom as they depart for pastures new)
People who cause nuisance and expense and do not care about their neighbors or the environment will not be missed.
People who can read and sign an agreement as well as keep to their word will be more welcome as neighbors.
What do you think? In your opinion which of these methods do you think would most quickly put a stop to this selfish anti-social behavior?
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