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Thursday 14 June 2018 3.26pm
faraday wrote:
graham wrote:
Not allowed on council estates

Not allowed, really?

Room renting is positively encouraged ... with an excellent incentive of £7,500 tax free income.

https://www.gov.uk/rent-room-in-your-home/the-rent-a-room-scheme

There seems to be some confusion about room renting - which can be facilitated via AirBnB.

Graham, can you cite your source please?

faraday

Taking in a lodger is not the same as a short let. For the latter planning permission is required.

Quote:
Southwark cracks down on short term holiday lets with warnings to local leaseholders
28 March 2017

A London council is planning to send leaflets to all its leaseholders to warn them that renting out their homes on any short term holiday let websites means they are breaching the conditions of their lease and could face legal action.

Southwark Council will be sending the leaflets out with this year’s service charge statements that go to all council leaseholders in the borough.

The leaflets emphasise that the lease places conditions on the use and occupation of their property and short term letting constitutes a breach of the lease covenants “not to use or suffer the flat to be used for any purpose other than as a private dwellinghouse” and “not to do or permit or suffer to be done any act or thing which may be or become a nuisance or annoyance to the Council or to the Lessees owners or occupiers of adjoining or neighbouring property.”

Council tenants will be sent similar leaflets with their rent statements as they would also be breaching their tenancies, but the council has clarified that this does not include lodgers as long as they have written permission.

Source
Friday 15 June 2018 10.26am
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Friday 15 June 2018 11.41am
I wasn't familiar with the 'Rent a room' scheme. It does seem rather odd to be encouraging that but seeking to clamp down on short-term lets.

I guess it's in the nature of the constant turnover of people passing through which is the main source of complaint? As for those 'making a killing' it's hardly that if we're talking a single occupancy. Doing the sums it just seems to be a useful bit of extra cash in support of paying the bills, etc.
Friday 15 June 2018 11.54am
faraday wrote:
I see there is some confusion between letting a room as per bed and breakfast and opening a hotel.
AirBnB appear to primarily cater for room letting (The BnB in their name is something of a clue here) of course they also accommodate longer lets of whole apartments etc.

Certainly it seems that people here do not fully understand the difference between a bed and breakfast and a hotel. This is a shame since conflating the two destroys the credibility of any protest.

.gov, supported by the mainstream press have made it abundantly clear that BnB - room letting to a lodger - IS ALLOWED and is ABSOLUTELY ENCOURAGED. Significant financial incentives are on offer as well as the knowledge that you are helping to alleviate London's very real housing problem. Just Google 'Rent a Room Scheme' and you will find very little objection at all.

Simply saying 'not allowed' is unhelpful ... it very clearly IS allowed.

Yes, you are personally annoyed but please dont allow your annoyance to undermine the credibility of legitimate protest.

faraday

Taking in a long-term lodger to help pay the rent is surely a longstanding working-class (and indeed middle-class) tradition - which is presumably why it's allowed unconditionally on council estates. And if it's 'to alleviate London's very real housing problem' that's the sort of 'room letting' that is needed. It's NOT the same as 'bed and breakfast' - short-term holiday accommodation - let alone the letting of whole appartments, which 'Airbnb' in spite of its name seems to be offering. Quote: 'for people to lease or rent short-term lodging including holiday cottages, apartments, homestays' etc. This doesn't seem intended to provide accommodation for the traditional 'lodger' - the single working-person needing somewhere to stay for an extended period, bed, meals and cleaning provided. And surely, faraday, the 'protests' have all been about short-term holiday lets - which are evidently illegal under most people's leases or tenancies.
Saturday 16 June 2018 9.59pm
faraday wrote:
I see there is some confusion between letting a room as per bed and breakfast and opening a hotel.

A bread and breakfast is just one of the various classes of hotels.

Planning permission is require to change the use of a residential property (C3: Dwellinghouses) to that of a hotel/B&B (C1: Hotels).

But don't take my word for it: see for yourself here.
Monday 18 June 2018 1.31pm
If you need help making sense of the laws it might be helpful to contact the Leasehold Advisory Service, https://www.lease-advice.org which is a gov’t. funded independent advice service on residential leasehold and park homes.
Saturday 23 June 2018 10.58pm
Some food for thought was published yesterday in this other local news outlet.

James, this story is borough-wide, and not limited to SE1: hope I haven't overstepped the mark here.
Sunday 24 June 2018 11.56am
Not exactly a get rich scheme, eh?

I know someone who rents on Airbnb and for them it merely helps pay the bills as someone self-employed who often struggles, especially now UC really doesn't support them.
Sunday 24 June 2018 5.49pm
Tolstoy wrote:
Not exactly a get rich scheme, eh?
I know someone who rents on Airbnb and for them it merely helps pay the bills as someone self-employed who often struggles, especially now UC really doesn't support them.

That's because of the 90 per annum limit on London AirBnb rentals.

As for UC, leaseholders cannot receive this benefit, since their home is considered a financial 'assett'. If instead your friend is a tenant, he or she needs the permission the landlord in order to sublet for short stays.
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