Project fear reaches SE1

" faraday
'proving my point what bad winners leavers are'

Really? "



Yep, really.

In that case anything resembling those predictions that come about in the next few months and years is entirely on you and your side. I hope you take responsibility for it if and when it happens.

Great Britain has been a member for 45 years.

Compare this to our 1000 years of glorious sovereignty etc

What price sovreignty?

Paramount wrote:

Great Britain has been a member for 45 years.
Compare this to our 1000 years of glorious sovereignty etc

What price sovreignty?

'1000 years' Paramount?

You mean since 1019?

Ah yes, I remember it well.

1019:

Half the population spoke Old Norse. There was a Danish king on the throne of England.

In Scotland, the Gaels (from Ireland) were still ethnically cleansing the Picts, and shared the country with another lot of Norsemen.

In Wales the various Welsh kingdoms were fighting among themselves.

And for most of that thousand years most of us didn't have a vote anyway - what price sovereignty?

Please learn a bit of history before quoting it as if it meant anything.

John C

Paramount wrote:

Great Britain has been a member for 45 years.
Compare this to our 1000 years of glorious sovereignty etc

What price sovreignty?

What sovereignty. We’ve been US poodles ever since the end WW2. It’s no wonder many Brexiters are also Trump sycophants. Contemptible.

John C wrote:

Paramount wrote:

Great Britain has been a member for 45 years.
Compare this to our 1000 years of glorious sovereignty etc

What price sovreignty?

'1000 years' Paramount?

You mean since 1019?

Ah yes, I remember it well.

1019:

Half the population spoke Old Norse. There was a Danish king on the throne of England.

In Scotland, the Gaels (from Ireland) were still ethnically cleansing the Picts, and shared the country with another lot of Norsemen.

In Wales the various Welsh kingdoms were fighting among themselves.

And for most of that thousand years most of us didn't have a vote anyway - what price sovereignty?

Please learn a bit of history before quoting it as if it meant anything.

John C

Us Romans should have never left...

Jules62 wrote:

John C wrote:

Paramount wrote:

Great Britain has been a member for 45 years.
Compare this to our 1000 years of glorious sovereignty etc

What price sovreignty?

'1000 years' Paramount?

You mean since 1019?

Ah yes, I remember it well.

1019:

Half the population spoke Old Norse. There was a Danish king on the throne of England.

In Scotland, the Gaels (from Ireland) were still ethnically cleansing the Picts, and shared the country with another lot of Norsemen.

In Wales the various Welsh kingdoms were fighting among themselves.

And for most of that thousand years most of us didn't have a vote anyway - what price sovereignty?

Please learn a bit of history before quoting it as if it meant anything.

John C

Us Romans should have never left...

Personally I blame Henry VIII.

Although William I and the Normans have a lot to answer for as well. If Harold Godwinson had won at Hastings in 1066 we'd be much more like the Scandinavian countries (ie peaceful and civilised, with no imperial ambitions or pretensions to being a world power).

John C wrote:

we'd be much more like the Scandinavian countries (ie peaceful and civilised, with no imperial ambitions or pretensions to being a world power).

Hm, yes, the Vikings... No such ambitions at all. And no pillaging etc. either.

eDWaRD WooDWaRD wrote:

John C wrote:

we'd be much more like the Scandinavian countries (ie peaceful and civilised, with no imperial ambitions or pretensions to being a world power).

Hm, yes, the Vikings... No such ambitions at all. And no pillaging etc. either.

Sorry, eDWaRD, I did mean the Scandinavian nations today, who have put their childhood high spirits behind them. And apart perhaps from the Rus in Russia, they've never gone in for empire building to the extent the British later did.

Seriously, though, there's a couple of good articles in the latest issue of History Today - £5.50 from W H Smiths - both putting Brexit into its historical context:

Stuart Sweenie on 'Smith, Kant and De Gaulle - the relationship between France, Germany and Britain' - quote 'All three states are infused with a strong sense of the national and variable sense of Europe.'

Helen Thompson 'Brexit forever' - quote 'History suggests that Britain's relationship with Europe may never truly be resolved.' (I see she's professor of 'Political Economy' - now there's a contradiction in terms.)

It's a pity that some people prefer empty rhetoric about 'a thousand years of sovereignty' to mask what seems to be a nostalgia for the lost 'glories' of the 1950s!

As they say: 'History repeats itself because no one was listening the first time.'

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