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Friday 18 February 2005 5.13pm
Is it not time for The Fort on Grange Road to relocate ... ?
As a gay man I have no objection whatsoever to the existence of this place or others like it.. but its prominent position in the heart of the Bermondsey Spa redevelopment area and adjacent to local shops, large GP surgery, schools and with a bus stop right outside is surely inappropriate..
The nature of this place (where on a Saturday afternoon in excess of 100 men are inside, naked, having annoymous sex), means it will never be part of this rapidly growing local community.
How enhanced that area would be if that venue became a cafe or restaurant responding the needs of the local community.
Friday 18 February 2005 5.21pm
Why, are gay people not part of our community? my mind will be boggling with a vengeance every Saturday afternoon when I pass by the Fort now...

Is there another venue where you would feel more comfortable....?
Friday 18 February 2005 8.34pm
balaclavered said:
"The nature of this place (where on a Saturday afternoon in excess of 100 men are inside, naked, having annoymous sex)................................................................................................................................................
How enhanced that area would be if that venue became a cafe or restaurant responding the needs of the local community. "

- I hope they give it a good mop first!
Saturday 19 February 2005 7.43am
Er...yes, well, it's not the most discreet of locations for these pursuits. But who says the owners are ready to move and I dont suppose there is any way anyone can make them move if they dont want to...civil liberties and all that. It does indeed challenge the imagination somewhat - gosh, 100 naked men having anonymous...etc. How big IS this place? Is there really ROOM for such activities? I mean, I'm concerned for the COMFORT aspect. What if the numbers double? Health and Safety should be contacted.
Tuesday 22 February 2005 4.47pm
I can't believe that this is true. Surely, I'd have spotted these naked men on Grange Road before now.

Actually, now I come to think of it.......

Edited 1 times. Last edit at 22 February 2005 4.47pm by Mr Bridger.
Tuesday 22 February 2005 5.09pm
As a gay man , I can't believe what a piece of sanctimonious self loathing cr*p balaclavered wrote about the Fort. Does he not realise that the very people he would like to protect from such activities as he describes; may actually... be inside enjoying themselves!
Get a life and keep your nimby ideas to yourself.
Tuesday 22 February 2005 5.53pm
[Oh, it's great to see the Fort back here (and in a bona fide way).]

Can I ask, balaclavered (is this part of the dress code for The Fort, perhaps?), where would you suggest would be a suitable place for it to relocate?

If these places are legal, then why haven't they got the right to exist anywhere where they can pay the rent?

When I walked out of our building to get a sarnie this lunchtime I walked past two massage parlours in the 400 yds between us and the cafe. I also frequently walk past a shop specialising in model airplanes. I have no interest in going into any of the three establishments, and I may even find it offensive that fully grown men sit at home playing with their Junkers, but surely they've got every right to do it?

...if you press it, they will come.
Tuesday 22 February 2005 6.14pm
Hmm... the distinctive smell of troll droppings...

Surely, the operating hours are unlikely to coincide with those of "local shops, large GP surgery, schools"?

I think that for anyone who takes a liberal viewpoint, the only reasonable grounds of objection to the existence of a "sexual encounter" establishment - regardless of whether the clientele are gay or straight at a particular location are:

(i) that the arriving/departing clientele cause a noise/parking nuisance

(ii) the current use, which presents a blank face to the world, prevents an alternative use for the site that would provide an "active frontage" onto adjacent public space, that would increase feelings of safety and security.

I have encountered a similar situation elsewhere in South London, where a (supposedly well run and with no police complaints) "sauna" has just renewed their lease on a building next door to an open space that has been refurbished with a lot of public money but has very little use at present because nothing overlooks it. The sauna's premises would make an ideal cafe spilling out on to the square, but someone needs to find an alternative location for the sauna first. Cue nimby outrage, even if currently industrial sites are suggested!!!
Tuesday 22 February 2005 6.14pm
I believe it's not the Junkers, it's the Fokkers that's the problem. Also, there are lots of other people in the block where I live, I believe some of them have sex with each other from time to time - shouldn't be allowed!
Tuesday 22 February 2005 7.19pm dumb old Junkers the same thing as Junket? mmm...I have not had that for years as one can not get the rennet very often!...:-)

p.s. stop making me laugh.....:-)
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