My point is that its for the people who feel slighted or discriminated or excluded, to judge. Not for you sitting pretty in power. And considering that you claim to not even know about the Peckham incident, that doesn't exacly enhacing your credibity to assess existence of racism in the council.
As you mentoned yourself racism is not an imaginary issue, its real - and it is about discrimation and power, not message board pronouncements which purport to prove a negative. Statements like "there is no racism" or "I haven't seen any racism" , do not consitute in-depth analysis or the work necesary to eradicate racism if it exists.
I'm just pointing out the things I have heard from talking to various people on the other side of the fence from you - I have no personal stake in it. So indeed you are part of this regeneration effort, I encourage you to go out and deal with the pepple and the problems - rather than throw up feel-good statements here.
jackie rokotnitz Wrote:
I mean I have never
> seen any sign of discrimination in any of my
> contacts within the E&C Project, as I say,
> quite the opposite. And it makes my blood boil
> when people LOOK for racism where there is none.
Regarding feeling steam-rollered and excluded from decision-making about regeneration, I have spoken to large numbers of people of ALL SORTS of ethnic origins who feel excluded. It seem to be an intrinsic element of regeneration! It may be that some BME people are complaining about being excluded, but are they MORE excluded than everyone else?
Jan - That is something I head from a coupe of black people. It may well be that the council is inept and that it just so happens that the pensioners affected are black. Could also be that its because of race they are not seen as people to be careful about. I dont know. If you are interested get out and talk to them and find out...
Lady Jo - that is quite possible. But it is not really any better if its the case. Regeneration is supposed to be FOR the community benefit, it shouldn't be something that happens TO the community for th benefit of external parties. So if there are people being trampled - whatever their ethnicity - that doesn't seem to me to be a thing that we should dismiss and accept about regeneration. It is being done with local council money after all...
In any case, what I did hear from the people I spoke with (some BME and others not ,in fact) was that they felt more affected and in a way that could be interpreted as violations of the CRE.
This is very detailed stuff - and its about real life effects and perceptions of real people - and that is really why the council should be out there dealing with them and not posting stuff here. That leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth. Racism is not about PR, its about interaction between people....