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Saturday 15 April 2006 10.46am
speakloud wrote:
JonathanK if you worked for them do you still have contacts? Maybe, this time, since you are all in agreement that there is not enough police presence on the streets we could have a meeting with the police together.
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I worked in a Hi-Tech Crime Unit at New Scotland Yard - I am still in touch with quite a few of the officers from there but because of their specialisms I think they would have next to nothing to do with community policing.

Here is the web page for the Southwark Borough Police with all the relevant contacts. http://www.met.police.uk/southwark/
Saturday 15 April 2006 10.47am
We are good at organising social events, and we certainly all feel involved in local affairs, so it doesnt need rocket science to get a meeting with the local law enforcement guys to see what they've got to say. furthermore, maybe they could be directed to this forum.
Saturday 15 April 2006 11.01am
vicd wrote:
So you worked for the police ... that figures - you're inability to see the scale of the problem says it all. It is utterly bleeding obvious that we need a much more visible police presence on our streets. I saw two transport police on a walkabout in Tooley Street the other day. They totally sympathised with me about the problem, unfortunately not their domain. They agreed that having police expect you to join them in their car, looking for the mugger long after he'd disappeared was completely stupid.
I reported local thieves to the police a couple of years back. I had to go to the station and watch an officer write a "report" from what I said. It was excruciating watching his pathetic slowness, writing in childish handwriting (heaven forbid he might actually just type it into a computer) and constantly crossing lines out and starting again. Hopeless. A huge waste of my time. I was told I might be called upon as a witness at one of the borstal boys' trials. Needless to say I never heard a dickeybird about it afterwards.

I suppose you get the police you deserve.


There is a reason why police officers record events in notebooks rather than computers - written notes are far harder to alter/tamper with than a file on a computer. If something needs to be rewritten then lines are crossed out carefully and initalled to illustrate that no illicit alterations are made; this takes time and contributes to what you saw as 'pathetic slowness'. Regarding his 'childish' handwriting, I really can't see how his writing style would make a difference to anything of relevance?
Saturday 15 April 2006 11.28am
Thanks Jackie.

Does that mean you are "volunteering"?

Would you be able to organise something in the very near future?
Saturday 15 April 2006 11.33am
It's all very well with all this wonderful theory - how careful your ex-colleagues are to record data. Well, news flash: we want a police force that actually prevents crime from happening, rather than using the precious time of vigilant citizens as an excuse for spelling lessons! If his long-winded statement-taking had actually produced some results then I might be a little less damning.

You need a police force that puts police officers on the streets and empowers / educates them to use their loaf (aka common sense) in dealing with events as they happen or even - heaven forbid - BEFORE!

Instead we've got red-tape-bound, desk-bound automatons, umbillically attached to their vans & cars (even helicopters), who have no clue that the most effective piece of "technology" is simply the visible presence of police in a neighbourhood, with the copper(s) becoming familiar and trusted faces.

The amount of valuable information they would get simply from going back on the beat and forging local links would be infinitely more valuable than anything they seem to have from this hands-off approach.
Saturday 15 April 2006 11.46am
vicd wrote:
It's all very well with all this wonderful theory - how careful your ex-colleagues are to record data. Well, news flash: we want a police force that actually prevents crime from happening, rather than using the precious time of vigilant citizens as an excuse for spelling lessons! If his long-winded statement-taking had actually produced some results then I might be a little less damning.
You need a police force that puts police officers on the streets and empowers / educates them to use their loaf (aka common sense) in dealing with events as they happen or even - heaven forbid - BEFORE!

Instead we've got red-tape-bound, desk-bound automatons, umbillically attached to their vans & cars (even helicopters), who have no clue that the most effective piece of "technology" is simply the visible presence of police in a neighbourhood, with the copper(s) becoming familiar and trusted faces.

The amount of valuable information they would get simply from going back on the beat and forging local links would be infinitely more valuable than anything they seem to have from this hands-off approach.


Perhaps your patronising and aggressive tone have defined your experinces with the police? Have a think about it.
Saturday 15 April 2006 11.58am
Oh, do I detect another power-tripping, oversensitive (ex)policeman? How dare you call me patronising and aggressive when, if you could only open your eyes, the correct word would be FRUSTRATED?! Fortunately, your reaction to my comments puts you clearly in the minority. So perhaps you'd like to "have a think" about that, you patronising so-and-so.
Saturday 15 April 2006 12.19pm
Hey guys!! Cool it!!!

I have had a much much worse experience with the police than just writing a statement. The police gave my address, in error, to the wrong person during a high profile case. I am not going to go into details about what followed suffice to say it was extremely traumatising. Plus other awful experiences
with the police.

So let's cool it. The police do have a hard job to do. Some of them are darn right useless and incompetent and not at all sympathetic about what goes on in the real world but they do have to follow rules etc. Like all of us!!!

I'm sure vicd you have to follow rules and maybe your clients or whoever don't particularly like the way you do things.

Let's cool it. It is getting pretty nasty and unfriendly!!!

Instead of moaning let's do something about it!!!
Saturday 15 April 2006 12.24pm
vicd wrote:
Oh, do I detect another power-tripping, oversensitive (ex)policeman? How dare you call me patronising and aggressive when, if you could only open your eyes, the correct word would be FRUSTRATED?! Fortunately, your reaction to my comments puts you clearly in the minority. So perhaps you'd like to "have a think" about that, you patronising so-and-so.

Jonathan, the focus of your posts has been police procedure. That's pretty typical of an ostrich bureaucracy with it's head up it's pc behind (to mix metaphors) .

Great idea - an SE1 forum arranged meet with the police with the specific object of police on the beat.
Saturday 15 April 2006 12.38pm
Fine, I will cool it. To summarize, I want to see a sane world which stops sh*t happening (and happening, and happening ...) rather than, as markadams says, one which is obsessed with procedure. Procedure does sweet FA for the victims of muggings. The only hope is for the police (emboldened and perhaps empowered by the politicians) to take the lead - not by becoming jackboot fascists but by going back to basics, becoming a visible, on the beat, community presence again. One which rewards vigilant citizens for providing useful intelligence and, more importantly, acts with lightning speed on this intelligence, rather than turning it into more useless data for the politicans to spin either way.

That's all from me for today folks!
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