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Thursday 6 April 2006 10.39pm
Ivanhoe wrote:
At the risk of you all calling me a Nazi, I can see a point similar to Jack's.
Personally I come over all objectionable when I read posts on here of the: "Oh, if only SE1 was more like Chelsea/Why can't we have a Waitrose/If only Conran bought TBR and filled it with gatropods/I moved to trendy Bermondsety St and all I got was the smell from that lousy bakery" variety.

Dunno about you but considering we have a gigantic Tesco, a couple Tesco Expresses and another one coming in Tabard Sq - I'm not sure why a Waitrose would be so awful. They actually do a really good job of running a food shop, particularly so for a company that only has 3.5% of the UK food market. That's like a tenth the size of Tesco. You cant tar them with the same brush simply because they have done a good job and their brand name seems bigger than it is.

I'd be more than happy to see them here.
Friday 7 April 2006 6.24am
bring on waitrose...and while we are at it how about space NK, carluccios and a little boutique selfridges! oh and we also need a decent gym and a krispy kreme store!
come on guys you have to admit it SE1 is still pretty down to earth and a long way from being the chelsea of south east london some people would have us believe...its a good mix of people and amenities and an atttractive place to live and work..thats the bottom line..
but i also agree jack carter doesnt exist,,,he is a wind up but a pretty successful one at that
Friday 7 April 2006 7.41am
Well,I guess I'm just not discerning enough, but I'm more than happy with the food/drink/ameneties in our manor, I wouldnt change the mix we have for the horrible sanitised atmosphere of Chelsea (I'm old enough to remember Chelsea in the 50's - my parents still live there and I must say every time I walk down the Kings Road which I did yesterday I realise how much I HATE it). Somehow I've never quite twigged to Waitrose. A red pepper is a red pepper for me. And anyway I'd rather go to East Street. BUT, wait for it kids. The new Walworth Road is a-comin', and we may indeed be swamped by smarty party, highly priced boutiques.
Friday 7 April 2006 7.55am
Are you guys parodying yourselves?

...if you press it, they will come.
Friday 7 April 2006 8.17am
Isn't this funny? The course of this thread is phenomenal!
Friday 7 April 2006 9.04am
This thread is absolutely fascinating.

Whether or not Jack Carter is real (and I suspect he is) is irrelevant.

I personally don't agree with him, but he has the good grace to accept good points made by others which makes me think he isn't a "troll".

London is an amazing and ever changing place, and change always unsettles people, but whether or not you like it, you have to accept it. If you want constancy, move to the 'burbs and suffocate in uniformity.

If you want real life, live in central London.

I love the multi-cultural element of where I live. It has its downsides (I've never understood why Nigerians think it's a good idea to eat KFC on the bus, for example), but my kids will grow up learning about the world without needing to travel, and to learn that not everyone is white, middle class, drives a 4x4 and goes on holiday to Barbados in March.

I would like a Waitrose, mainly because they do good food, partly because I hate Tesco and think a bit of variety would be good, partly because Waitrose is part of JLP and is owned by its employees and partly because their stores aren't generally huge and so don't wipe out the local specialist shops like the wonderful Suffolk Meats.

Finally, I will relay a conversation I had with a young Muslim physiotherapist recently. He is studying medicine and we were discussing what it is like living in London, and he told me that his course was looking at depression. It amazed me to learn that the biggest problems with depression are in the middle classes where the pressure of work and keeping up with the Joneses, paying the mortgage and the lack of community create depression.

So perhaps Jack's problem is he is no longer working class, and has the middle class disease...?


Friday 7 April 2006 10.24am
Jack has an opinion and is entitled to express it. We are all liberal people here...are we not?
Friday 7 April 2006 10.59am
Apparently not Jan.

...if you press it, they will come.
Friday 7 April 2006 11.05am
But always remember that opinion does not necessarily reflect fact. Opinion, more often than not, reflects personal prejudice (thats prejudice with a small 'p').

Friday 7 April 2006 11.20am
dont be daft Niall...I'm often opinionated.....but not prejudiced...well not all the time!..:-)
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