Ivanhoe wrote:And your experience with these dogs is?? Bigotted views as usual. Does that mean as a muslim i am a potential terrorist, because some muslims have been terrorists. Does it mean that any middle class caucasian lady with a pekingese has a deep hatred of islam, because she told me so. No obviously but that is what you are stating. It really is a shame that you don't even know how insulting and elitist your views are.toufan wrote:JayBee wrote:Great contribution, intelligent.Anyone know of any pitbull that isn't called "Tyson" (presumably named after the well-
boxing rapist and ear-biter-offer)?
Yes. I agree with you, Toufan.
It was quite intelligent of JayBee to point out that, in his/her experience the majority of pitbull owners not only choose to own an intimidating dog, but then choose to call them by a name which amplifies the implied threat.
It directly relates to the debate about why people feel the need to have intimidating dogs, don't you think?
JayBee wrote:Take you long to find that on the web sadiq. If my mother lived by these ideals she would be veiled. Please do not bring 'haram' into this. Great argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:
“A dog can be owned for purposes such as the following:
1. A trained dog for hunting. Remember in Islam we are only allowed to hunt for food; there is no such thing as hunting for fun, for we are not allowed to kill or torture animals or drive them out of their habitats for the fun of it.
2. A trained dog as a guide. This would be the case if a person is blind and he/she has no choice but to keep a dog for essential services. In this case, it is permissible for him/her to keep a dog inside the house once it has been trained for service, but it is still recommended that the dog have its own sleeping arrangement.
3. A dog trained for police duties.
4. A guard dog to guard houses or property.
5. A dog used by farmers to shepherd cattle and sheep.
We are, however, not allowed to keep a dog as a pet, since it is not a very clean animal. How often have you come across the nasty sight of dogs taken for a walk licking their own excrement? Isn't it disgusting to see their owners kissing the mouth of such animals after such incidents as if nothing happened? Would you kiss the mouth of your own baby if he were to do the same? Think how many parasites and microbes may be hiding in their mouths.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has spared us from being contaminated by such filth when he ordered us to stay clear of the saliva of dogs. If we ever come into contact with a dog's saliva we must wash the spot seven times, the first of which should be with sand or dirt. It is also possible to use a bacterial soap instead of sand or dirt.
In conclusion: Don't contemplate taking a dog home as a pet. If, however, you do need to keep a dog for any of the reasons given above, then you may do so. But take every precaution not to have contact with its saliva, and also arrange for a separate living space.”
Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: www.muslims.ca
What about a budgie then?
JayBee wrote:Firstly, im sure you have bitten a couple of dogs. The qur'an says nothing negative regrding dogs, the view that a dog is unclean comes from the 'ahadith.' In the story of the men in the cave in Sura 18, it becomes clear that God sees dogs as part of mens lives,(oh before you go on the web again i am aware of forms of 'najisat' and 'angels of mercy') You actually tried to lecture me on my faith due to the fact i have a dog ('makruh', i know)which i keep inside the house. Thanks for your judgement of my faith. You obviously have no relevant arguments to the thread of 'pitbulls.' I find it worrying that yourself and others post on an issue you have no experience on. Thats the pitbull issue and Islam.As a middle class caucasian lady myself (part-time and for professional purposes only) I don't quite understand how you, Toufan, choose which of the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him) you apply to yourself - is it just what suits you at any particular time? Oh, and I have never bitten a dog.
toufan wrote:Firstly, im sure you have bitten a couple of dogs.
Birdie wrote:What!!!!toufan wrote:Firstly, im sure you have bitten a couple of dogs.
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