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Sunday 27 May 2007 10.55am
prompted by the mention of it in Loafers bye bye thread, is there anywhere I can get real cider? I don't know what 'real' means by the way, but I'd like to know. I'm guessing borough market (yawn).
Tuesday 29 May 2007 12.08pm
I'm sure Ivanhoe would know, or JonR, or the SE1 cider makers.....
Tuesday 29 May 2007 2.14pm
What constitutes "real" cider is a subject of debate, even amongst the real cidermaking community (!)

Basically though, it's cider made from 100% juice (as opposed to concentrate - as used in the popular ciders of today). Some real cider is still live (as with Real Ale), whereas most has been pasteurised, and some is made only from recognised cidermaking fruit (generally different from eating apples in that they are chosen for their bittersweet/sharp/tannic qualities (which help with making a balanced drink) rather than the qualities that make a good eater. Which is not to say that cider fruit aren't nice to eat. They're just not as nice to eat, in most people's eyes, as recognised eating varieties)).

Cider made in Herefordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Somerset, Devon, etc, is generally made from "real" cider fruit. Cider made in Kent, East Anglia, etc is generally made from mainly eating or cooking apples (which isn't to say it's not as good, but it will taste different and whilst good, it's not my favourite - whilst being infintely better than most of what you find on the supermarket shelf).

A definition of real cider can be found here: CAMRA also have their own definition, but not everyone agrees with that.

Good cider resources are:
the ukcider site, and associated wiki.
UK cider pub guide (also you can buy a CAMRA cider pub guide)

Places to get cider from: is a huge collection of cider and perry, near Lewes, which makes a nice day out. Cider from all over the UK is available on draught and in bottles. Get someone else to drive if you can.

Biddenden in Kent is probably our nearest producer, and pleasant on a sunny day

The New Forest cider stall at Borough Market is good.

You can get Westons from the Market Porter and the Southwark Tavern IIRC.

If you go to Herefordshire you can do the Cider Route , or do the same in Somerset (no weblink - try calling one of the TICs).

The 3 Counties Cider and Perry assoc'n is a group of small real cider makers.

For mixed cases of cider, you can call my friend Paddy at he has a good range of cider and perry from Hfds Gloucs and Worcs, and who tells me that he will send cases for 5 per order. (I'm not on commission, but he is a friend of mine so I'm heavily biased here) I've tried his delivery service for presents, but not for myself (although I'm just about to order some English wine from him and get it delivered to work)

I hope that helps. If you've got any specific Q's, I'll do my best to answer them.

...if you press it, they will come.
Tuesday 29 May 2007 5.43pm
Not forgetting the cider makers across the water, some of whom can be found at...

But their cider is a different stuff altogether (nonetheless it's good and it's made from apples).

...if you press it, they will come.
Wednesday 13 June 2007 10.48am
Or Cassels in Cambridge is quite nearby

...if you press it, they will come.
Thursday 21 June 2007 6.39pm
thursdays at leadenhall market they are selling basque cider from spain..4.95 a bottle plus free delivery
Friday 22 June 2007 11.12am
That's interesting. 5 a bottle is the going rate, I suppose, but it brings tears to your eyes when you think that it sells in Spain for around €3 a bottle (I'm trying to put the symbol for Euros here - three euros)

...if you press it, they will come.
Friday 22 June 2007 11.23am
I think the cider sold in bottles at the Garrison is rather good. I think it's Breton and costs something silly like 5.60.
Friday 22 June 2007 11.55am
For a large bottle? Like a wine bottle?

...if you press it, they will come.
Friday 22 June 2007 12.59pm
thanks everyone. It's a friends birthday soon who's a real fan. Any ideas for her cidery birthday? Anyone know anything about brewing. I wonder if I could get her a kit.
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